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On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > A focus: > http://biblehub.com/philippians/4-13.htm > "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." > > And a thought to consider: > http://biblehub.com/matthew/12-30.htm > "He that is not with me [Jesus] is against me; and he that gathereth > not with me scattereth abroad." > > Have you received the Lord as your personal savior? If not, I advise > you to learn of Him. The gospel message (the good news) is that we > need not perish eternally. Jesus Christ has come to the Earth to make > a way back for us to be restored to God eternally in Heaven. It is > through His Atonement of sin at the cross. Because He had no sin, and > because of His Love for us, He took on our sin at the cross and died > with it. The punishment that was due us was given to Him, so that we > might be made spotless and blameless before God, allowing us to enter > in to Heaven. Without us receiving His free gift of salvation, our > sin remains upon us, and we must pay the price of our iniquity. > > Jesus is the most important person you can ever come to know. I advise > each of you to seek Him from within, just you and God. When the TV is > off, when the music is silent, when there are no distractions, listen > to that still, small voice on the inside. God desires to know you, and > to save you from the punishment due you from your sin. > > ----- > As for this forum... > > I appreciate everyone's advice. I view a lot of that advice as overt > negativity and down-putting rather than an effort toward helpful > assistance. As such, I will depart this group now and continue on > in service to the Lord on my own. In Him there is hope, guidance, > life, and peace. His is the better place to be as the people who seek > Him look to build each other up, to help each other out, and not cut > each other down. This is the difference between people who pursue > Jesus Christ, and people who pursue anything else. > > Our life has a purpose and a name: Jesus Christ. > > Seek Him, to learn of Him, that He may set you free from the falseness > of this world. Peace. > > Best regards, > Rick C. Hodgin > Wow, are people really like that? I read this group regularly because I learn a lot from the frequent contributors who clearly have a great deal of practical experience. And I appreciate the fact that you're willing to share your knowledge with those of us who need some help. This guy has gotten a large amount of useful expert advice (for free!), and then tells the whole group that we're rude and not really worthy humans unless we agree with his beliefs. I can't really comment on the falseness of the world, but I sincerely hope that he remains free of the falseness of this newsgroup for ever after.Article: 157551
On 12/12/2014 2:22 PM, Theo Markettos wrote: > Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: >> Is there a way to monitor signals in existing >> wires? For example, with an oscilloscope and >> probe I can watch voltage changes. Is there a >> standard way to connect to an existing, working >> device, and monitor and record its switching >> over time? Such would seem to be desirable for >> peeking at proprietary "wake up" chirps, and to >> monitor device communications to establish its >> protocol interface. > > Xilinx has ChipScope and Altera has SignalTap. These are logic analysers > that you can put inside the FPGA and attach to signals to monitor the state > of your design. > > There are some caveats: > Typically changing the probe state requires a recompile of your design > (which can take hours) > The amount of state you can record is limited by the internal memory in your > device > > but it's still far better than trying to route signals outside and using a > real logic analyser. I've done the logic analyzer thing before. A board I have in production has 9 signals it can drive on a 10 pin connector to see internal state. To be most useful I used a mux to select which internal signals drive these outputs. There is an undocumented control register in the FPGA to control the mux. But even with this if I need a signal that I hadn't planned for, I have to reprogram the FPGA. To Rick C.'s question, I have never seen a probe intended to save you the trouble of accessing one end of the wire. A needle can be used to pierce the insulation if needed. -- RickArticle: 157552
On 12/15/2014 6:14 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: > rickman wrote: >> On 12/12/2014 5:05 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>> rickman wrote: >>>> On 12/12/2014 2:45 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>>>> rickman wrote: >>>>>> On 12/11/2014 9:08 AM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [snip] >>> >>>>> >>>>> No. The second flip-flop has the same sort of metastable window as >>>>> the >>>>> first. If the first flop misses that window because the metastability >>>>> was longer, then the second flop will resolve on the following clock >>>>> cycle. I think you may be under the misapprehension that the >>>>> metastable >>>>> state means that the first flop is outputing a "1/2" rather that "0" >>>>> or "1" logic level and any sampling during that time would cause >>>>> metastability in the second flop. In fact that's not the case. >>>> >>>> I don't think that is correct. A metastable event can create all >>>> sorts of problems on the output including oscillations and >>>> indeterminate levels. These can produce metastability in the second >>>> stage without having to hit a bullet with a bullet. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Think again. A flip-flop has positive feedback gain. Oscillation >>> is definitely not a possibility. Somewhere inside the flop you >>> could sit at a threshold voltage for a while, but once you start >>> to resolve, the swing will be monotonic. The next flop doesn't >>> get fed directly by the node sitting at its threshold, but from >>> a buffered copy. You'd need a buffer that oscillates when its >>> input sits near a threshold for a nanosecond or two. You won't >>> find anything like that in an FPGA. >> >> There is some 40 years of experience and documentation showing the >> effects of metastability. Please do a little research on the topic. >> > Rick, > > If you had even started to look into some of that 40 years of > research, you may have come across a host of articles like this one: > > http://webee.technion.ac.il/~ran/papers/Metastability-and-Synchronizers.IEEEDToct2011.pdf > > > The only mention of oscillation is that it doesn't happen. At least > not at the output latch node. This one says it can oscillate... http://www.ganssle.com/articles/MetastabilityandFirmware.htm This one does too... http://a.vita.com/home/Learn/vmefaq/metastability.html Another... http://www-classes.usc.edu/engr/ee-s/552/coursematerials/ee552-G1.pdf This one has pictures... http://www.asic-world.com/tidbits/metastablity.html You can talk about positive feedback, but that does not preclude oscillations. With the appropriate condition such as the data input changing at the right time just around the clock edge, both outputs of the master FF (Q and Q not) can be in the same state. With approximately equal delays in each gate, this condition will change to both outputs changing to the opposite state, then back, etc until one of the states "catches up" with the other and the circuit reaches a stable state. Some of the very earliest work analyzing the metastable state in digital logic well documented oscillations in such circuits. Anyone who tells you otherwise is talking through their hats. -- RickArticle: 157553
On 12/15/2014 7:05 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:47:45 -0800, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > >> How would I go about making my own boards? >> I am aware of commercial companies which have software you can download, >> and construct the layout through their process manufacturing, >> and you will receive boards and solder masks. >> >> But are there things you can do yourself? Buy a blank copper layer, >> cover with a photoresist, expose a mask, and then chemically etch away >> the exposed or unexposed are (depending on the resist)? > > There is a middle road. > > Get a copy of Eagle or KiCad, lay the board out, and get Gerber files. > Gerber files are universal, unlike the captive software that you're > talking about. Unless you use a fab house that uses crap software like ITEAD. The use software the mucks up the images for Gerber files which use certain constructs. They will remake the boards correctly, but it's a PITA. They are cheap though. > Then send the Gerber files to a board aggregator (i.e., www.oshpark.com). > Oshpark charges $5.00 per square inch and sends you three boards, which is > not a bad price at all. You'll only get a 2-layer board, which may not be > enough. They also do 4-layer, for more money and slower service. > > You're definitely diving off the deep end without a life preserver, here > -- would your experience be more complete if someone tied you up in a bag > before you jumped into the water? He's not diving off anything. He is just testing the waters by sticking his toe in and asking us how it feels. -- RickArticle: 157554
On 12/14/2014 9:33 PM, hamilton wrote: > On 12/14/2014 6:11 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> Version 2.0. Much faster, cleaner: >> >> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uIIwU29H3E8 >> >> Best regards, >> Rick C. Hodgin >> > > LOL, did you notice that the PCB is white and not green ?? > > What to know why ?? I guess I do. I wouldn't have expected it to be green. Given that it is be whacked by a laser, I'm not sure I would expect any color to show up. Is this forming some oxide of copper that resists the acid? Or has the board been sprayed with a photosensitive agent? -- RickArticle: 157555
On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: ...snip... > ----- > As for this forum... > > I appreciate everyone's advice. I view a lot of that advice as overt > negativity and down-putting rather than an effort toward helpful > assistance. As such, I will depart this group now and continue on > in service to the Lord on my own. I think this says a lot more than any of the religious stuff. If he isn't "understood" we are being negative. The reality is that he has a *lot* to learn and is asking questions. I don't have a problem with that. But when he doesn't like the answers he gets he retreats into his cave of god and lets us know it is our problem not his. That's just being immature. -- RickArticle: 157556
On 12/15/2014 9:19 PM, chrisabele wrote: > On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> A focus: >> http://biblehub.com/philippians/4-13.htm >> "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." >> >> And a thought to consider: >> http://biblehub.com/matthew/12-30.htm >> "He that is not with me [Jesus] is against me; and he that gathereth >> not with me scattereth abroad." >> >> Have you received the Lord as your personal savior? If not, I advise >> you to learn of Him. The gospel message (the good news) is that we >> need not perish eternally. Jesus Christ has come to the Earth to make >> a way back for us to be restored to God eternally in Heaven. It is >> through His Atonement of sin at the cross. Because He had no sin, and >> because of His Love for us, He took on our sin at the cross and died >> with it. The punishment that was due us was given to Him, so that we >> might be made spotless and blameless before God, allowing us to enter >> in to Heaven. Without us receiving His free gift of salvation, our >> sin remains upon us, and we must pay the price of our iniquity. >> >> Jesus is the most important person you can ever come to know. I advise >> each of you to seek Him from within, just you and God. When the TV is >> off, when the music is silent, when there are no distractions, listen >> to that still, small voice on the inside. God desires to know you, and >> to save you from the punishment due you from your sin. >> >> ----- >> As for this forum... >> >> I appreciate everyone's advice. I view a lot of that advice as overt >> negativity and down-putting rather than an effort toward helpful >> assistance. As such, I will depart this group now and continue on >> in service to the Lord on my own. In Him there is hope, guidance, >> life, and peace. His is the better place to be as the people who seek >> Him look to build each other up, to help each other out, and not cut >> each other down. This is the difference between people who pursue >> Jesus Christ, and people who pursue anything else. >> >> Our life has a purpose and a name: Jesus Christ. >> >> Seek Him, to learn of Him, that He may set you free from the falseness >> of this world. Peace. >> >> Best regards, >> Rick C. Hodgin >> > > Wow, are people really like that? > > I read this group regularly because I learn a lot from the frequent > contributors who clearly have a great deal of practical experience. And > I appreciate the fact that you're willing to share your knowledge with > those of us who need some help. This guy has gotten a large amount of > useful expert advice (for free!), and then tells the whole group that > we're rude and not really worthy humans unless we agree with his beliefs. > > I can't really comment on the falseness of the world, but I sincerely > hope that he remains free of the falseness of this newsgroup for ever > after. I think he'll be back. -- RickArticle: 157557
On 16/12/14 02:19, chrisabele wrote: > On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> A focus: >> http://biblehub.com/philippians/4-13.htm >> "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." >> >> And a thought to consider: >> http://biblehub.com/matthew/12-30.htm >> "He that is not with me [Jesus] is against me; and he that gathereth >> not with me scattereth abroad." >> >> Have you received the Lord as your personal savior? If not, I advise >> you to learn of Him. The gospel message (the good news) is that we >> need not perish eternally. Jesus Christ has come to the Earth to make >> a way back for us to be restored to God eternally in Heaven. It is >> through His Atonement of sin at the cross. Because He had no sin, and >> because of His Love for us, He took on our sin at the cross and died >> with it. The punishment that was due us was given to Him, so that we >> might be made spotless and blameless before God, allowing us to enter >> in to Heaven. Without us receiving His free gift of salvation, our >> sin remains upon us, and we must pay the price of our iniquity. >> >> Jesus is the most important person you can ever come to know. I advise >> each of you to seek Him from within, just you and God. When the TV is >> off, when the music is silent, when there are no distractions, listen >> to that still, small voice on the inside. God desires to know you, and >> to save you from the punishment due you from your sin. >> >> ----- >> As for this forum... >> >> I appreciate everyone's advice. I view a lot of that advice as overt >> negativity and down-putting rather than an effort toward helpful >> assistance. As such, I will depart this group now and continue on >> in service to the Lord on my own. In Him there is hope, guidance, >> life, and peace. His is the better place to be as the people who seek >> Him look to build each other up, to help each other out, and not cut >> each other down. This is the difference between people who pursue >> Jesus Christ, and people who pursue anything else. >> >> Our life has a purpose and a name: Jesus Christ. >> >> Seek Him, to learn of Him, that He may set you free from the falseness >> of this world. Peace. >> >> Best regards, >> Rick C. Hodgin >> > > Wow, are people really like that? > > I read this group regularly because I learn a lot from the frequent contributors > who clearly have a great deal of practical experience. And I appreciate the fact > that you're willing to share your knowledge with those of us who need some help. > This guy has gotten a large amount of useful expert advice (for free!), and then > tells the whole group that we're rude and not really worthy humans unless we > agree with his beliefs. See Hodgin's posts in comp.arch; the followed a similar pattern and conclusions. The major difference was that he did a *lot* more proselyting (and wouldn't stop). Sadly this appears to have been the consequence of some unspecified Bad Events in his life. I hope we have enabled him to concentrate his efforts on something that stands a chance of being successful.Article: 157558
On 16/12/14 04:06, rickman wrote: > On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > ...snip... > >> ----- >> As for this forum... >> >> I appreciate everyone's advice. I view a lot of that advice as overt >> negativity and down-putting rather than an effort toward helpful >> assistance. As such, I will depart this group now and continue on >> in service to the Lord on my own. > > I think this says a lot more than any of the religious stuff. If he isn't > "understood" we are being negative. The reality is that he has a *lot* to learn > and is asking questions. I don't have a problem with that. But when he doesn't > like the answers he gets he retreats into his cave of god and lets us know it is > our problem not his. That's just being immature. The only part of that I disagree with is "being immature". based on his comp.arch posts, I suspect it is more complex than that.Article: 157559
On 16/12/14 03:24, rickman wrote: > To Rick C.'s question, I have never seen a probe intended to save you the > trouble of accessing one end of the wire. A current probe can do that, with significant limitations, of course!Article: 157560
On 15/12/14 23:14, GaborSzakacs wrote: > The only mention of oscillation is that it doesn't happen. At least > not at the output latch node. Oscillation vs invalid level is dependent on the logic family. I would go and dig out some 30/40 year old oscillograms, but they are currently inaccessible.Article: 157561
rickman wrote: > On 12/15/2014 6:14 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >> rickman wrote: >>> On 12/12/2014 5:05 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>>> rickman wrote: >>>>> On 12/12/2014 2:45 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>>>>> rickman wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/11/2014 9:08 AM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No. The second flip-flop has the same sort of metastable window as >>>>>> the >>>>>> first. If the first flop misses that window because the >>>>>> metastability >>>>>> was longer, then the second flop will resolve on the following clock >>>>>> cycle. I think you may be under the misapprehension that the >>>>>> metastable >>>>>> state means that the first flop is outputing a "1/2" rather that "0" >>>>>> or "1" logic level and any sampling during that time would cause >>>>>> metastability in the second flop. In fact that's not the case. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that is correct. A metastable event can create all >>>>> sorts of problems on the output including oscillations and >>>>> indeterminate levels. These can produce metastability in the second >>>>> stage without having to hit a bullet with a bullet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Think again. A flip-flop has positive feedback gain. Oscillation >>>> is definitely not a possibility. Somewhere inside the flop you >>>> could sit at a threshold voltage for a while, but once you start >>>> to resolve, the swing will be monotonic. The next flop doesn't >>>> get fed directly by the node sitting at its threshold, but from >>>> a buffered copy. You'd need a buffer that oscillates when its >>>> input sits near a threshold for a nanosecond or two. You won't >>>> find anything like that in an FPGA. >>> >>> There is some 40 years of experience and documentation showing the >>> effects of metastability. Please do a little research on the topic. >>> >> Rick, >> >> If you had even started to look into some of that 40 years of >> research, you may have come across a host of articles like this one: >> >> http://webee.technion.ac.il/~ran/papers/Metastability-and-Synchronizers.IEEEDToct2011.pdf >> >> >> >> The only mention of oscillation is that it doesn't happen. At least >> not at the output latch node. > > This one says it can oscillate... > http://www.ganssle.com/articles/MetastabilityandFirmware.htm > > This one does too... > http://a.vita.com/home/Learn/vmefaq/metastability.html > > Another... > http://www-classes.usc.edu/engr/ee-s/552/coursematerials/ee552-G1.pdf > > This one has pictures... > http://www.asic-world.com/tidbits/metastablity.html > > You can talk about positive feedback, but that does not preclude > oscillations. With the appropriate condition such as the data input > changing at the right time just around the clock edge, both outputs of > the master FF (Q and Q not) can be in the same state. With > approximately equal delays in each gate, this condition will change to > both outputs changing to the opposite state, then back, etc until one of > the states "catches up" with the other and the circuit reaches a stable > state. > > Some of the very earliest work analyzing the metastable state in digital > logic well documented oscillations in such circuits. Anyone who tells > you otherwise is talking through their hats. > Any older ones? CMOS flip-flops built from transfer gates will not oscillate. The only reputable instances I could find showing oscillation referred to much older families that used cross-coupled gates. Note that there are no "Q and Q not" outputs of a CMOS flip-flop unless "Q not" is generated with an inversion after the transfer gate latch. Cross-coupled gate implementations could oscillate. You won't find those in an FPGA.Article: 157562
A simple thought on the topic, as it's often difficult to see the forest for the trees: When an asynchronous signal is sampled, there can be timing violations. No number of chained FFs can give a _deterministic_ result. But they guarantee that it won't change between clock cycles and will look the same to all connected inputs, whatever the value. For example, a metastable reset could release some blocks one cycle before others, and the circuit is off to a bad start. --------------------------------------- Posted through http://www.FPGARelated.comArticle: 157563
>> On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: <SNIP> WOW, another right wing nut case !! Hey Rick, when you go off the deep end will you find a chocolate shop to visit ?? http://www.godchecker.com/Article: 157564
Tom Gardner wrote: > On 16/12/14 03:24, rickman wrote: > >> To Rick C.'s question, I have never seen a probe intended to save you the >> trouble of accessing one end of the wire. > > A current probe can do that, with significant limitations, of course! > or a needle stuck in the middle of the wire (assuming we're talking discrete wires and not a trace inside an IC). There are also insulation displacement quick-connects made for tapping into automotive wiring. On the other hand I've heard the OP has moved on, so we'll probably never really know what the intent of the question really was.Article: 157565
Not sure what you are really looking for, there are some methods around trying to decrypt the bitstream: https://www.cosic.esat.kuleuven.be/publications/article-737.pdf http://perso.uclouvain.be/fstandae/PUBLIS/12.pdfArticle: 157566
On 12/16/2014 11:58 AM, GaborSzakacs wrote: > rickman wrote: >> On 12/15/2014 6:14 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>> rickman wrote: >>>> On 12/12/2014 5:05 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>>>> rickman wrote: >>>>>> On 12/12/2014 2:45 PM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>>>>>> rickman wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/11/2014 9:08 AM, GaborSzakacs wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No. The second flip-flop has the same sort of metastable window as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first. If the first flop misses that window because the >>>>>>> metastability >>>>>>> was longer, then the second flop will resolve on the following clock >>>>>>> cycle. I think you may be under the misapprehension that the >>>>>>> metastable >>>>>>> state means that the first flop is outputing a "1/2" rather that "0" >>>>>>> or "1" logic level and any sampling during that time would cause >>>>>>> metastability in the second flop. In fact that's not the case. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think that is correct. A metastable event can create all >>>>>> sorts of problems on the output including oscillations and >>>>>> indeterminate levels. These can produce metastability in the second >>>>>> stage without having to hit a bullet with a bullet. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Think again. A flip-flop has positive feedback gain. Oscillation >>>>> is definitely not a possibility. Somewhere inside the flop you >>>>> could sit at a threshold voltage for a while, but once you start >>>>> to resolve, the swing will be monotonic. The next flop doesn't >>>>> get fed directly by the node sitting at its threshold, but from >>>>> a buffered copy. You'd need a buffer that oscillates when its >>>>> input sits near a threshold for a nanosecond or two. You won't >>>>> find anything like that in an FPGA. >>>> >>>> There is some 40 years of experience and documentation showing the >>>> effects of metastability. Please do a little research on the topic. >>>> >>> Rick, >>> >>> If you had even started to look into some of that 40 years of >>> research, you may have come across a host of articles like this one: >>> >>> http://webee.technion.ac.il/~ran/papers/Metastability-and-Synchronizers.IEEEDToct2011.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> The only mention of oscillation is that it doesn't happen. At least >>> not at the output latch node. >> >> This one says it can oscillate... >> http://www.ganssle.com/articles/MetastabilityandFirmware.htm >> >> This one does too... >> http://a.vita.com/home/Learn/vmefaq/metastability.html >> >> Another... >> http://www-classes.usc.edu/engr/ee-s/552/coursematerials/ee552-G1.pdf >> >> This one has pictures... >> http://www.asic-world.com/tidbits/metastablity.html >> >> You can talk about positive feedback, but that does not preclude >> oscillations. With the appropriate condition such as the data input >> changing at the right time just around the clock edge, both outputs of >> the master FF (Q and Q not) can be in the same state. With >> approximately equal delays in each gate, this condition will change to >> both outputs changing to the opposite state, then back, etc until one >> of the states "catches up" with the other and the circuit reaches a >> stable state. >> >> Some of the very earliest work analyzing the metastable state in >> digital logic well documented oscillations in such circuits. Anyone >> who tells you otherwise is talking through their hats. >> > > Any older ones? CMOS flip-flops built from transfer gates will not > oscillate. The only reputable instances I could find showing > oscillation referred to much older families that used cross-coupled > gates. Note that there are no "Q and Q not" outputs of a CMOS > flip-flop unless "Q not" is generated with an inversion after the > transfer gate latch. Cross-coupled gate implementations could > oscillate. You won't find those in an FPGA. If you are talking about the circuit shown in your reference it will still oscillate the same way as a gate based FF. Each inverter in the loop produces a signal, one is Q the other is Q not whether it is labeled as such or not. Oscillations happen. -- RickArticle: 157567
On 12/16/2014 1:07 PM, hamilton wrote: >>> On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: <SNIP> > > WOW, another right wing nut case !! > > Hey Rick, when you go off the deep end will you find a chocolate shop to > visit ?? Right wing? His comments were religious. The right wing label is political. What is the connection here? -- RickArticle: 157568
On 12/16/2014 6:54 AM, Tom Gardner wrote: > On 16/12/14 04:06, rickman wrote: >> On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> >> ...snip... >> >>> ----- >>> As for this forum... >>> >>> I appreciate everyone's advice. I view a lot of that advice as overt >>> negativity and down-putting rather than an effort toward helpful >>> assistance. As such, I will depart this group now and continue on >>> in service to the Lord on my own. >> >> I think this says a lot more than any of the religious stuff. If he >> isn't >> "understood" we are being negative. The reality is that he has a >> *lot* to learn >> and is asking questions. I don't have a problem with that. But when >> he doesn't >> like the answers he gets he retreats into his cave of god and lets us >> know it is >> our problem not his. That's just being immature. > > The only part of that I disagree with is "being immature". based on > his comp.arch posts, I suspect it is more complex than that. Ok. I won't argue. I don't mind his questions as well as his misplaced enthusiasm. I also think some of the comments here were a little hard on him. If he really wants to learn some things I'm happy to help. -- RickArticle: 157569
On 12/16/2014 6:56 AM, Tom Gardner wrote: > On 16/12/14 03:24, rickman wrote: > >> To Rick C.'s question, I have never seen a probe intended to save you the >> trouble of accessing one end of the wire. > > A current probe can do that, with significant limitations, of course! A current probe measures current, not voltage. It is a pretty poor way to measure signals. -- RickArticle: 157570
On 12/16/2014 2:34 PM, rickman wrote: > On 12/16/2014 1:07 PM, hamilton wrote: >>>> On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: <SNIP> >> >> WOW, another right wing nut case !! >> >> Hey Rick, when you go off the deep end will you find a chocolate shop to >> visit ?? > > Right wing? His comments were religious. The right wing label is > political. What is the connection here? > http://bit.ly/1DIDd29Article: 157571
On 12/16/2014 2:34 PM, rickman wrote: > On 12/16/2014 1:07 PM, hamilton wrote: >>>> On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: <SNIP> >> >> WOW, another right wing nut case !! >> >> Hey Rick, when you go off the deep end will you find a chocolate shop to >> visit ?? > > Right wing? His comments were religious. The right wing label is > political. What is the connection here? > http://www.salon.com/2014/02/22/reagans_christian_revolt_how_conservatives_hijacked_american_religion/Article: 157572
On 12/16/2014 5:34 PM, hamilton wrote: > On 12/16/2014 2:34 PM, rickman wrote: >> On 12/16/2014 1:07 PM, hamilton wrote: >>>>> On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: <SNIP> >>> >>> WOW, another right wing nut case !! >>> >>> Hey Rick, when you go off the deep end will you find a chocolate shop to >>> visit ?? >> >> Right wing? His comments were religious. The right wing label is >> political. What is the connection here? >> > http://www.salon.com/2014/02/22/reagans_christian_revolt_how_conservatives_hijacked_american_religion/ I'm sorry, but the fact that some people mix religion and politics does not mean *everyone* who believes in religion is a conservative politically. Likewise it does not mean everyone who is conservative politically is religious. -- RickArticle: 157573
On 12/16/2014 8:58 PM, rickman wrote: > On 12/16/2014 5:34 PM, hamilton wrote: >> On 12/16/2014 2:34 PM, rickman wrote: >>> On 12/16/2014 1:07 PM, hamilton wrote: >>>>>> On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: <SNIP> >>>> >>>> WOW, another right wing nut case !! >>>> >>>> Hey Rick, when you go off the deep end will you find a chocolate >>>> shop to >>>> visit ?? >>> >>> Right wing? His comments were religious. The right wing label is >>> political. What is the connection here? >>> >> http://www.salon.com/2014/02/22/reagans_christian_revolt_how_conservatives_hijacked_american_religion/ >> > > I'm sorry, but the fact that some people mix religion and politics does > not mean *everyone* who believes in religion is a conservative > politically. Likewise it does not mean everyone who is conservative > politically is religious. > Lets see, you were wrong on Right Wing and religion, and we see the right wing crack pots killing kids in Pakistan. Yes, those that need to proselytize to half the world and not keep their whacked out ideas to themselves are just one step away from visiting _your_ kids school. Religion has gone too far in its control of mind damaged people. And there are lots out there to chose from.Article: 157574
On 17/12/14 05:52, hamilton wrote: > On 12/16/2014 8:58 PM, rickman wrote: >> On 12/16/2014 5:34 PM, hamilton wrote: >>> On 12/16/2014 2:34 PM, rickman wrote: >>>> On 12/16/2014 1:07 PM, hamilton wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/15/2014 6:38 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: <SNIP> >>>>> >>>>> WOW, another right wing nut case !! >>>>> >>>>> Hey Rick, when you go off the deep end will you find a chocolate >>>>> shop to >>>>> visit ?? >>>> >>>> Right wing? His comments were religious. The right wing label is >>>> political. What is the connection here? >>>> >>> http://www.salon.com/2014/02/22/reagans_christian_revolt_how_conservatives_hijacked_american_religion/ >>> >>> >> >> I'm sorry, but the fact that some people mix religion and politics does >> not mean *everyone* who believes in religion is a conservative >> politically. Likewise it does not mean everyone who is conservative >> politically is religious. >> > Lets see, you were wrong on Right Wing and religion, No, he is correct. There is a certain group of people, particularly but not exclusively in the USA, that classify themselves as right-wing conservative Christians. But there are plenty of religious people who have different political views - or no serious political views. For example, Rick Hodgin has talked a great deal about his religious beliefs, but has never mentioned politics - either he is not politically interested, or like most of us he doesn't feel it is a natural subject for a technical newsgroup (s.e.d. excepted, of course). And there are plenty of right-wingers who have not the slightest interest in religion. > and we see the right wing crack pots killing kids in Pakistan. You can't classify the murderers in Pakistan as right-wing - they don't fit on the overly simplified left-wing/right-wing political model. And while they are religious, they were not Muslims (no matter what they might have claimed themselves). It's not about politics or religion - as always, it is about power and money. Politics and religion are just ways to dupe the weak-willed into doing the dirty work. > > Yes, those that need to proselytize to half the world and not keep their > whacked out ideas to themselves are just one step away from visiting > _your_ kids school. Fortunately, that is not remotely true. Rick's religious posts may be annoying and out of place, but I certainly would not imagine him being violent or threatening - it would be completely against his character. > > Religion has gone too far in its control of mind damaged people. Religion has been around for as long as human speech, as far as anthropologists and archaeologists can tell. People have always done crazy and terrible things in the name of religion - it's nothing new. > And there are lots out there to chose from. >
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