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On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:03:16 -0600, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:20:55 -0800, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212400/Xilinx-to-shutter-French-R-D-operation >> >>Yikes, this explains some stuff. I wonder how long it will take to >>undo the damage. > >Damage? The damage caused by closing a software development lab? I meant the damage likely *done* by that lab. We'd been speculating how Xininx managed to snarl up their software so thoroughly, and whether they will ever get it fixed. I can't imagine why they'd outsource something this important to France. Given their >software, it's probably a good thing. I just tried downloading their 12.4 >software last week. As in "all of last week"? It wouldn't even install. The Avnet folks got me a DVD, >so I'll probably try that next week. > >>Our latest projects are using Altera parts, purely >>because the Xilinx software is such a train wreck. > >I'm using a Xilinx Coolrunner part for a very simple application, mostly >because they have package better suited to the application and our SMT line >(small and not a CsBGA). ISE WebPack 11.1 works reasonably well but I'm not >pushing it very hard (32 flops and a half dozen I/O @ 14.7456MHz clock isn't >much of a stretch ;-). Yeah, CPLDs don't need a lot of place-and-route effort. JohnArticle: 150451
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:10:27 -0800, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:03:16 -0600, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" ><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:20:55 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212400/Xilinx-to-shutter-French-R-D-operation >>> >>>Yikes, this explains some stuff. I wonder how long it will take to >>>undo the damage. >> >>Damage? The damage caused by closing a software development lab? > >I meant the damage likely *done* by that lab. We'd been speculating >how Xininx managed to snarl up their software so thoroughly, and >whether they will ever get it fixed. I can't imagine why they'd >outsource something this important to France. I don't know why anyone would do business in France (or most of Europe), given their work rules. > Given their >>software, it's probably a good thing. I just tried downloading their 12.4 >>software last week. > >As in "all of last week"? It took two days to download it, at home (I'd be strung up if I did it at work) and another couple of days to try to get it installed. It comes as a .TAR file, which is really useful on a PC. > It wouldn't even install. The Avnet folks got me a DVD, >>so I'll probably try that next week. >> >>>Our latest projects are using Altera parts, purely >>>because the Xilinx software is such a train wreck. >> >>I'm using a Xilinx Coolrunner part for a very simple application, mostly >>because they have package better suited to the application and our SMT line >>(small and not a CsBGA). ISE WebPack 11.1 works reasonably well but I'm not >>pushing it very hard (32 flops and a half dozen I/O @ 14.7456MHz clock isn't >>much of a stretch ;-). > >Yeah, CPLDs don't need a lot of place-and-route effort. OTOH, I don't seem much difference in what Altera calls a CPLD (Max-II/V) and an FPGA.Article: 150452
John Larkin wrote: >...We'd been speculating > how Xininx managed to snarl up their software so thoroughly,... cf. MICRO$~1 Cheers! RichArticle: 150453
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:6ndnj6taqep5e1fno3cj0gkcehv892m018@4ax.com... > On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:03:16 -0600, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" > <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:20:55 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212400/Xilinx-to-shutter-French-R-D-operation >>> >>>Yikes, this explains some stuff. I wonder how long it will take to >>>undo the damage. >> >>Damage? The damage caused by closing a software development lab? > > I meant the damage likely *done* by that lab. We'd been speculating > how Xininx managed to snarl up their software so thoroughly, and > I can't imagine why they'd outsource something this important to France. Me neither, don't they know that all brilliant programmers are in the US! Hans www.ht-lab.comArticle: 150454
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> ** You are a total cunt and a massive liar. .... PhilArticle: 150455
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> ** You are a total cunt and a massive liar. .... PhilArticle: 150456
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz: > I don't know why anyone would do business in France (or most of Europe), given > their work rules. If the State owns the bigger electronics & defence companies ad it is a chauvinist (french world...) nation, the best way to sell them stuff is to have a non purely commercial operation there.Article: 150457
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:51:12 +1100, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote: > ><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> > > >** You are a total cunt and a massive liar. Why thank you, Phyllis. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to anyone here.Article: 150458
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:47:52 +0100, "F. Bertolazzi" <TOGLIeset@MAIUSCOLEtdd.it> wrote: >krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz: > >> I don't know why anyone would do business in France (or most of Europe), given >> their work rules. > >If the State owns the bigger electronics & defence companies ad it is a >chauvinist (french world...) nation, the best way to sell them stuff is to >have a non purely commercial operation there. What is a "non purely commercial operation"? Does this pay for the costs they're going to incur when closing the operation down?Article: 150459
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:50:48 +1100, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote: > ><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> > > >** You are a total cunt and a massive liar. It's so nice of you to add what you can to the group, Phyllis. Now run along and play with Dimmie.Article: 150460
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:51:12 +1100, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote: > ><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> > > >** You are a total cunt and a massive liar. > > > >.... Phil > > Now *that's* beginning to sound like proper misogyny. JohnArticle: 150461
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz: > What is a "non purely commercial operation"? A factory or an R&D center. > Does this pay for the costs they're going to incur when closing the > operation down? Well, given that Europe accounts for 20% of their revenues and North America for 32%, probably wthey could have laid off somebody in the US.Article: 150462
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:15:55 -0800, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:51:12 +1100, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> >wrote: > >> >><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> >> >> >>** You are a total cunt and a massive liar. >> >> >> >>.... Phil >> >> > >Now *that's* beginning to sound like proper misogyny. --- PKB? --- JFArticle: 150463
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:27:40 -0600, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: |I don't know why anyone would do business in France (or most of Europe), given |their work rules. Possible local content requirements? jamesArticle: 150464
"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:10:27 -0800, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:03:16 -0600, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:20:55 -0800, John Larkin >>><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212400/Xilinx-to-shutter-French-R-D-operation >>>> >>>>Yikes, this explains some stuff. I wonder how long it will take to >>>>undo the damage. >>> >>>Damage? The damage caused by closing a software development lab? >> >>I meant the damage likely *done* by that lab. We'd been speculating >>how Xininx managed to snarl up their software so thoroughly, and >>whether they will ever get it fixed. I can't imagine why they'd >>outsource something this important to France. > >I don't know why anyone would do business in France (or most of Europe), given >their work rules. Says someone from a country where unions are (almost) mandatory... Talk about work rules. Still, the French are not known for excellent engineering. Eiffel has been dead for a long time. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------Article: 150465
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:52:33 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote: >"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:10:27 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:03:16 -0600, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >>><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:20:55 -0800, John Larkin >>>><jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212400/Xilinx-to-shutter-French-R-D-operation >>>>> >>>>>Yikes, this explains some stuff. I wonder how long it will take to >>>>>undo the damage. >>>> >>>>Damage? The damage caused by closing a software development lab? >>> >>>I meant the damage likely *done* by that lab. We'd been speculating >>>how Xininx managed to snarl up their software so thoroughly, and >>>whether they will ever get it fixed. I can't imagine why they'd >>>outsource something this important to France. >> >>I don't know why anyone would do business in France (or most of Europe), given >>their work rules. > >Says someone from a country where unions are (almost) mandatory... A damned lie, except, perhaps, WRT government jobs. Twenty two states are "right to work" states, where one cannot be forced to join a union even though it is a "union shop". Fewer than one in twelve US private sector jobs are unionized (OTOH, more than one three government workers are - a real problem). Exceedingly few high-tech (engineering) jobs are union. But why should we expect other than lies from a Europeon leftist loon. >Talk about work rules. Still, the French are not known for excellent >engineering. Eiffel has been dead for a long time.Article: 150466
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> ** You are a total cunthead and a massive liar. .... PhilArticle: 150467
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:35:19 +1100, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote: > ><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> > > >** You are a total cunthead and a massive liar. > You already said that Phyllis. You're not adding anything to the group now.Article: 150468
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> ** You are a total cunthead and a massive liar. Get off SED. .... PhilArticle: 150469
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:40:41 +1100, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > ><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> > > >** You are a total cunthead and a massive liar. Phyllis, your needle is stuck. > Get off SED. Not a chance, Phyllis,Article: 150470
Serendipity over the week-end brought this: http://www.ccm.nl/pdf/SAXCS-UK.pdf http://www.cybernet.co.jp/fclib/documents/example/03_MBD_Controller.pdf Excellent examples of what I meant to say ;) Regards / Cees On 01/21/2011 10:47 AM, Cees Binkhorst wrote: > Have a look at http://www.mathworks.com/ and search (top-right corner) > with 'fpga' to get almost 900 leads for further reading. > > There are also high-level optimization war-stories on > http://www.mathworks.com/solutions/ > > Regards / Cees > > On 01/20/2011 11:11 AM, rupertlssmith@googlemail.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've googled about a bit, but not found the perfect answer yet. Does >> anyone have any suggestions for reading material (paper or web), that >> would serve as an introductory overview of FPGAs for non-technical >> managers? Something that gives a rough idea of what typically can and >> cannot be achieved in hardware, and a sense of the difficulties and >> effort required to do so. Thats probably a lot to ask, but if you know >> of any good introductions, I would appreciate a link. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Rupert >Article: 150471
On 23/01/2011 06:10, John Larkin wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:03:16 -0600, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" > <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:20:55 -0800, John Larkin >> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212400/Xilinx-to-shutter-French-R-D-operation >>> >>> Yikes, this explains some stuff. I wonder how long it will take to >>> undo the damage. >> >> Damage? The damage caused by closing a software development lab? > > I meant the damage likely *done* by that lab. We'd been speculating > how Xininx managed to snarl up their software so thoroughly, and > whether they will ever get it fixed. I can't imagine why they'd > outsource something this important to France. > I find it hard to believe that supposedly educated, intelligent and experienced engineers can post such ignorant xenophobic drivel. Xilinx (or rather, their users and customers) have trouble with the Xilinx software because the Xilinx leadership do not prioritise it appropriately, and (apparently) do not listen to or understand the issues customers have with the software. They alone are at fault. It could well be that the main management fault was to hire a development team that was not competent to do the development - but the problem is their lack of competence, not their nationality! I know that sci.electronics.design is a hangout for mostly geriatric American right-wingers who like to spend their free time blaming the world's ills on "leftist weenies", foreigners, atheists, intellectuals, and other dangerous sub-humans. That's fair enough, within the limits of freedom of speech. It can even be entertaining at times. But please keep that sort of thing within s.e.d. and not serious newsgroups. Follow-up flames to s.e.d., and leave c.a.f. alone for a possible discussion about the actual effect of this news on Xilinx and its customers.Article: 150472
On 20 Jan., 08:10, Dennis Yurichev <dennis.yuric...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are another number primality tests exists, so the question is, > is there can be such primality test which is suitable for FPGA in such > way, when it will work much more effectively than =C9douard Lucas and > Derrick Henry Lehmer's primality test running on generic computer? I can't compare the performance, but the reconfigurable computing people from imperial collage have been working on that: http://wwwhomes.doc.ic.ac.uk/~rcheung/papers/fpt04.pdf KoljaArticle: 150473
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:09:42 +0100, David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote: >On 23/01/2011 06:10, John Larkin wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 23:03:16 -0600, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >> <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:20:55 -0800, John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212400/Xilinx-to-shutter-French-R-D-operation >>>> >>>> Yikes, this explains some stuff. I wonder how long it will take to >>>> undo the damage. >>> >>> Damage? The damage caused by closing a software development lab? >> >> I meant the damage likely *done* by that lab. We'd been speculating >> how Xininx managed to snarl up their software so thoroughly, and >> whether they will ever get it fixed. I can't imagine why they'd >> outsource something this important to France. >> > >I find it hard to believe that supposedly educated, intelligent and >experienced engineers can post such ignorant xenophobic drivel. Well, two facts exist: 1. Their software is a nightmare, and it's costing them business 2. They are dumping the French operation. The software is the heart of an FPGA company. The very architecture of the chip has to be coordinated with possible compiler strategies. The idea of outsourcing anything this important to a group 8 or 9 time zones away, working in another language, in a country where it's almost impossible to fire incompetant workers, where people take long lunches with wine and don't work weekends, just amazes me. > >Xilinx (or rather, their users and customers) have trouble with the >Xilinx software because the Xilinx leadership do not prioritise it >appropriately, and (apparently) do not listen to or understand the >issues customers have with the software. They alone are at fault. It >could well be that the main management fault was to hire a development >team that was not competent to do the development - but the problem is >their lack of competence, not their nationality! I'd have been equally surprised had they outsourced anything this core-critical to any other country that far from San Jose. Big Software is nearly impossible to manage even without an ocean in the way. > >I know that sci.electronics.design is a hangout for mostly geriatric >American right-wingers who like to spend their free time blaming the >world's ills on "leftist weenies", foreigners, atheists, intellectuals, >and other dangerous sub-humans. Jim isn't typical. JohnArticle: 150474
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:4gcrj690ue2un4cu7d0fen5vjcq43pci6l@4ax.com... > The software is the heart of an FPGA company. Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought the first response to that article: "Xilinx sell hardware, software especially high level tools is secondary." ...was a bit clueless!
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