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I have writen some VHDL using ISE4.2 and edit the UCF file like this. But it doesn't work. what is suppressed is that two days ago it worked correctly. So I think there must be some change with my the software settings, will anyone who knows the answer please mail me? thank you very much. I paste the Entity defination and UCF file below: entity top is Port( sysclk :in std_logic; stn_clk: out std_logic; hs: out std_logic; vs : out std_logic; stn_data :out std_logic_vector(7 downto 0); rxd :in std_logic ); end top; UCF file: NET "sysclk" LOC = "p88"; NET "stn_data<0>" LOC = "p6"; NET "stn_data<1>" LOC = "p7"; NET "stn_data<2>" LOC = "p10"; NET "stn_data<3>" LOC = "p11"; NET "stn_data<4>" LOC = "p12"; NET "stn_data<5>" LOC = "p13"; NET "stn_data<6>" LOC = "p19"; NET "stn_data<7>" LOC = "p20"; NET "rxd" LOC = "p91"; NET "stn_clk" LOC = "p4"; NET "hs" LOC = "p3"; NET "vs" LOC = "p5"; the error is: ERROR:NgdBuild:397 - Could not find NET 'rxd' in design 'top'. NET entry is 'NET "rxd" LOC = "p91"; ' ERROR:Parsers:11 - Encountered unrecognized constraint while parsing. ERROR:NgdBuild:19 - Errors found while parsing constraint file "top.ucf".Article: 53976
Cyclone is certainly usable. The mapping efficiency is going to depend on whether you are just doing a simple add or if there is more functionality in front of the add such as a mux. It does have the direct connects between LABs, and it also has extra gating to allow a controllable add/subtract without going to a second level of logic. The Xilinx structure is still a bit more flexible going into a carry chain (you get a 4 input LUT and a separate dedicated carry as opposed to 3 LUTs for carry and sum plus a bit of gating for add/subtract). The biggest advantage the spartan has IMHO is the SRL16, which can be used as a reloadable LUT (which is great for reprogrammable DA filters), as a delay queue, as a reorder queue or other things. The cyclone is closer to the Xilinx functionality than 10K or 20K devices. Matt Ettus wrote: > I've seen this question answered in the FAQ, but only for older > devices. > > I have a design which is mostly composed of adder-subtractors (i.e. > you add or subtract depending on a third data input) of between 16 and > 32 bits wide. Some of these need to run as fast as 120 MHz. Previous > posts seem to indicate that Xilinx is much better for things of this > type, but the posts were pre-Cyclone. Does this still apply? > > We were planning on using the Spartan 2E with 300K-gates, but we are > constrained to use a non-BGA part, and thus have become pin-limited. > The Cyclone parts have more I/Os in the PQFP packages, so the EP1C6 > and EP1C12 looked interesting. If Cyclone is usable for this sort of > application, which part is closest in functionality to the SpartanII > 300? > > Thanks > Matt -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email ray@andraka.com http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759Article: 53977
In comp.arch.fpga Barry Brown <barry_brown@agilent.com> wrote: > I believe I have heard that the latest version of Synplify can also use the > Xilinx > Unisim library, as ModelSim does, but I have not yet upgraded, so I have to > hide it with pragmas for synthesis: > > -- synthesis translate_off > library unisim; > use unisim.vcomponents.all; > -- synthesis translate_on Why hide it? You can compile unisim_vcomp.vhd into your Synplify project without trouble. (Except in 7.2 and later, where it'll conflict with the built-in Synplify library.) hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <hamish@debian.org> <hamish@cloud.net.au>Article: 53978
matt@ettus.com (Matt Ettus) wrote in message news:<e8fd79ea.0303281453.1a94c2f0@posting.google.com>... > I've seen this question answered in the FAQ, but only for older > devices. > > I have a design which is mostly composed of adder-subtractors (i.e. > you add or subtract depending on a third data input) of between 16 and > 32 bits wide. Some of these need to run as fast as 120 MHz. Previous > posts seem to indicate that Xilinx is much better for things of this > type, but the posts were pre-Cyclone. Does this still apply? Howdy Matt, Most likely not. But the only way to determine with certainty if the design is going to fit and meet timing in any part is to put it through the tools and see. The Cyclone is a much newer part and could likely outperform the not-so-new Spartan 2E. Later this year the Spartan III will come out, which may leapfrog the Cyclone slightly. That's how the competition goes. > We were planning on using the Spartan 2E with 300K-gates, but we are > constrained to use a non-BGA part, and thus have become pin-limited. > The Cyclone parts have more I/Os in the PQFP packages, so the EP1C6 > and EP1C12 looked interesting. If Cyclone is usable for this sort of > application, which part is closest in functionality to the SpartanII > 300? It appears that you are correct - although Xilinx has parts with considerably more I/O, you must use a fine pitch BGA to get them. The Spartan 2E (XC2S300E) has 7000 logic cells. Ignoring all other factors that might influence your choice (like core voltage, I/O support, PLL vs. DLL, etc) this obviously falls between an EP1C6 and an EP1C12, which have 6000 and 12000 logic cells respectively. The key to comparing parts is to ignore the Xilinx marketing gate counts and look at logic cells. Altera has thankfully started putting the logic count in their part number. Now, a question: What makes you think you need a 300K-gate FPGA for this design? Have fun! MarcArticle: 53979
Hi Matt, what Ray says is perfect. There is no competition to Spartan-IIE when it comes to arithmatic operations. Apart from SRL [ which according to Ray is biggest plus point of Xilinx ], LUT can be configured as Distributed RAM which may be useful to you. This you can't do with Cyclone. Also 3 operand arithmatic Function [Sum = A+B+C] goes in one Logic Block in Spartan-IIE, which takes two Logic Blocks with Cyclone. Apart from that Spartan-II E has Mult-AND for doing Fast Multiplications. So I don't think there can be a any substitute for Spartan-IIE for your app. --Sanjay "Ray Andraka" <ray@andraka.com> wrote in message news:3E84FB53.F9E1D5EA@andraka.com... > Cyclone is certainly usable. The mapping efficiency is going to depend on > whether you are just doing a simple add or if there is more functionality > in front of the add such as a mux. It does have the direct connects > between LABs, and it also has extra gating to allow a controllable > add/subtract without going to a second level of logic. The Xilinx > structure is still a bit more flexible going into a carry chain (you get > a 4 input LUT and a separate dedicated carry as opposed to 3 LUTs for > carry and sum plus a bit of gating for add/subtract). The biggest > advantage the spartan has IMHO is the SRL16, which can be used as a > reloadable LUT (which is great for reprogrammable DA filters), as a delay > queue, as a reorder queue or other things. The cyclone is closer to the > Xilinx functionality than 10K or 20K devices. > > Matt Ettus wrote: > > > I've seen this question answered in the FAQ, but only for older > > devices. > > > > I have a design which is mostly composed of adder-subtractors (i.e. > > you add or subtract depending on a third data input) of between 16 and > > 32 bits wide. Some of these need to run as fast as 120 MHz. Previous > > posts seem to indicate that Xilinx is much better for things of this > > type, but the posts were pre-Cyclone. Does this still apply? > > > > We were planning on using the Spartan 2E with 300K-gates, but we are > > constrained to use a non-BGA part, and thus have become pin-limited. > > The Cyclone parts have more I/Os in the PQFP packages, so the EP1C6 > > and EP1C12 looked interesting. If Cyclone is usable for this sort of > > application, which part is closest in functionality to the SpartanII > > 300? > > > > Thanks > > Matt > > -- > --Ray Andraka, P.E. > President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. > 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 > email ray@andraka.com > http://www.andraka.com > > "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little > temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > >Article: 53980
Hi, I guess some people here must be working with Microblaze processors. I understand that Microblaze EDK ships with a port of GNU tools. Are the sources for these tools available (from the GPL I understand that they must be). When one gets the EDK, do you get the sources on the CD ? Muzaffer Kal http://www.dspia.com ASIC/FPGA design/verification consulting specializing in DSP algorithm implementationsArticle: 53981
Im sure this question fills the mind of most PLD users since they mostly end up dealing with DSP/uC for control. however, I have been doing plenty of research on this topic, so I thought I should share some of my results <note: im a lousy designer as my collegues say, I end up making italian macarony instead of an interface, take the risk if you will> Fortunately you can find Processor/FPGA interfaces here on Xilinx-Application Notes, which surely gives an example and some ideas of how you can do it. ther is also an example on interfacing a monster Pentium Processor to some FPGAs. im sure reading it several times will give you a good clue on your own interface. theres 99% chance the FPGA is slave to DSP in your design, in which the main factors that used to determine how the interface will look like were: 1-DSP access to FPGA data storage? 2-synchronous/asynchronous data flow? 3-FPGA mapping on DSP? (ie IS/DS) 4-number of functions the FPGA will do?, if its a single streamed one, you might try to read FIFO implementations also shown for almost every device in Xilinx Application notes. 5-FPGA necessary at power-up? you might map the FPGA in two places on the DSP --- some examples (2) I used both synch/asynch. its obvious that when using asynch you dont need to use the same clock, but i think a number of wait statements in the DSP will improve data transfer. when using synchronous design, you need the same clock between the devices. better using PLL/DLL from the DSP to control clock skew. --- see part (3) this is an important part, I used an interface where the FPGA was mapped on a single IO-port from the DSP, address 7000. I also used a State-Machine in the FPGA to determine wheather Im storing data,address or command words. this critically decreased the amount of RAM storage I needed in the DSP to map the FPGA. as opposed to typically mapping the whole FPGA RAM in the DSP RAM and using "paging" methods used when you have more than one external RAM outside the DSP. --- Id like to hear more discussion on interfacing the FPGA to external devices. please throw in whatever gives inspiration. Regards, JAArticle: 53982
Xilinx webpack 4.1, some question: If I use: always @(clock) it is optimized away (and subsequently no output at test).. if I use always @(posedge clock) things work, OK, then you get half the freq at test. I looked always() up in some verilog tutorial, and it seems to be legal to write always @(clock) So is Xilinx wrong, or am I wrong, or what gives guys? module lcd_text_driver(clock, text, text_strobe, lcd_rst, lcd_read_data, lcd_e, lcd_rw, lcd_rs, lcd_write_data, lcd_dir, test); input clock; output test; // other in and outputs snipped reg [7:0] fstate; reg lcd_initialized; reg us_clock; wire test; // THIS //generate micro second clock (from 50 MHz) //always @(posedge clock) always @(clock) begin fstate = fstate + 1; if(fstate >= 50) begin fstate = 0; us_clock = !us_clock; end end // always assign test = us_clock; endmodule look at ..map: The signal "clock" is loadless and has been removed. Loadless block "clock" (PAD) removed.Article: 53983
If you are doing a simulation, then you should have the code executed on any change in clock. If you are doing synthesis, then you will only see changes on either a posedge or negedge. Synthesis will only do sensitivity analysis on edges. It won't do it for just signal changes. "Jan Panteltje" <panteltje@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b64p0p$qe2$1@reader1.tiscali.nl... > Xilinx webpack 4.1, some question: > If I use: > always @(clock) > it is optimized away (and subsequently no output at test).. > if I use > always @(posedge clock) > things work, OK, then you get half the freq at test. > > I looked always() up in some verilog tutorial, and it seems to be legal > to write always @(clock) > > So is Xilinx wrong, or am I wrong, or what gives guys? > > > module lcd_text_driver(clock, text, text_strobe, > lcd_rst, > lcd_read_data, > lcd_e, lcd_rw, lcd_rs, > lcd_write_data, lcd_dir, test); > > input clock; > output test; > > // other in and outputs snipped > > reg [7:0] fstate; > reg lcd_initialized; > reg us_clock; > wire test; > > // THIS > //generate micro second clock (from 50 MHz) > //always @(posedge clock) > always @(clock) > begin > fstate = fstate + 1; > if(fstate >= 50) > begin > fstate = 0; > us_clock = !us_clock; > end > end // always > > assign test = us_clock; > endmodule > > look at ..map: > > The signal "clock" is loadless and has been removed. > Loadless block "clock" (PAD) removed. >Article: 53984
ii wrote: > What are the best design practices for synchronous design? Do I use the > same clock for both devices? or different ones? Same clock whenever possible > Use the FPGA's built-in DPRAM or build registers? Registers are easier if you have them to spare. -- Mike TreselerArticle: 53985
Hi - To better understand the problem, ask yourself this: what logic (gates, FFs) would you expect the synthesizer to emit? Using the structures available in a Xilinx part, how would you implement a counter that clocks on both edges? Bob Perlman Cambrian Design Works On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:34:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <panteltje@yahoo.com> wrote: >Xilinx webpack 4.1, some question: >If I use: >always @(clock) >it is optimized away (and subsequently no output at test).. >if I use >always @(posedge clock) >things work, OK, then you get half the freq at test. > >I looked always() up in some verilog tutorial, and it seems to be legal >to write always @(clock) > >So is Xilinx wrong, or am I wrong, or what gives guys? > > >module lcd_text_driver(clock, text, text_strobe, > lcd_rst, > lcd_read_data, > lcd_e, lcd_rw, lcd_rs, > lcd_write_data, lcd_dir, test); > >input clock; >output test; > >// other in and outputs snipped > >reg [7:0] fstate; >reg lcd_initialized; >reg us_clock; >wire test; > >// THIS >//generate micro second clock (from 50 MHz) >//always @(posedge clock) >always @(clock) >begin >fstate = fstate + 1; >if(fstate >= 50) > begin > fstate = 0; > us_clock = !us_clock; > end >end // always > >assign test = us_clock; >endmodule > >look at ..map: > > The signal "clock" is loadless and has been removed. > Loadless block "clock" (PAD) removed.Article: 53986
On a sunny day (Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:06:07 -0500) it happened "Stan Zaborowski" <stan@zaborowski.org> wrote in <v8brkj5djf3vf6@corp.supernews.com>: >If you are doing a simulation, then you should have the code executed on any >change in clock. > >If you are doing synthesis, then you will only see changes on either a >posedge or negedge. Synthesis will only do sensitivity analysis on edges. >It won't do it for just signal changes. Thank you!Article: 53987
On a sunny day (Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:33:19 GMT) it happened Bob Perlman <bobsrefusebin@hotmail.com> wrote in <be0c8vkukf9o2o1uthtdh3gpbo5trmq0li@4ax.com>: >Hi - > >To better understand the problem, ask yourself this: what logic >(gates, FFs) would you expect the synthesizer to emit? Using the >structures available in a Xilinx part, how would you implement a >counter that clocks on both edges? Yes of cause I thought about hat, was also curious what webpack would do, normally it would not be simple, some xor with some gate delay in one input would give you pulses on each clock change. I was sort of hoping the xst would arrange that 4 me... Hey, what is the use if simulation runs it and reality (synthesizing) does not? Should there not simply be a warning? Anyways the error report is the webpack makes no sense. JPArticle: 53988
On a sunny day (28 Mar 2003 16:04:16 -0800) it happened chopra_vikram@excite.com (Vikram) wrote in <b6a2818d.0303281604.24b16cba@posting.google.com>: >Kevin Brace <kev0inbrac1eusen2et@ho3tmail.c4om> wrote in message news:<b60g8m$g92$1@newsreader.mailgate.org>... >> Jan, >> >> I am not exactly sure what is causing this problem, but there are there >> things I don't like with your RTL code. >> > ><snip> > >Same here, but would like to go one step further - > >1. It would be nice to seperate the combinational and sequential parts >into seperate always blocks - > >________________________________________________________________________________ > >always @ (posedge clock or negedge reset_n) >begin > if (~reset_n) > state <= #1 lcd_function; > else > state <= #1 next_state ; //will need to define the next state reg >end > >always @(// fill in all signals to which this block is sensitive) >begin > case(state) > lcd_idle: ....... > other states : ...... > default : ...... > endcase >end > >________________________________________________________________________________ > >2. Remember to assign all outputs in all branches of the case >statement, else you might get unwanted latches inferred. > > >Hope this helps, >Vikram. > Yes it is a cool idea. Just getting to grip with the verilog and webpack. LCD is now scrolling all characters..... Later I will have it report the key if it finds a match in the DES search:-) Thanks all you people for the help, now for the next problem.... Regards JPArticle: 53989
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:09:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje <panteltje@yahoo.com> wrote: >On a sunny day (Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:33:19 GMT) it happened Bob Perlman ><bobsrefusebin@hotmail.com> wrote in ><be0c8vkukf9o2o1uthtdh3gpbo5trmq0li@4ax.com>: You're right. It's sunny and nearly 80 degrees here in San Jose. >>Hi - >> >>To better understand the problem, ask yourself this: what logic >>(gates, FFs) would you expect the synthesizer to emit? Using the >>structures available in a Xilinx part, how would you implement a >>counter that clocks on both edges? >Yes of cause I thought about hat, was also curious what webpack >would do, normally it would not be simple, some xor with some gate delay >in one input would give you pulses on each clock change. >I was sort of hoping the xst would arrange that 4 me... Believe me, the last thing you want is a synthesis tool that creates a glitch generator to drive the clock line. This would definitely be a bug, not a feature. Using gate delays to generate glitches is not good design practice. If you want to use both edges of the clock, instantiate something like a DCM and use the 2X output. >Hey, what is the use if simulation runs it and reality (synthesizing) >does not? Anyone who simulates anything must have a healthy skepticism regarding the results. There are any number of ways in which simulators can produce results that differ from the logic that the synthesis tool emits. The trick is to learn how to avoid the differences; once you've done that, simulation is *extremely* useful. >Should there not simply be a warning? >Anyways the error report is the webpack makes no sense. Not having used the Xilinx synthesizer, I can't comment, other than to say that I would be shocked, shocked to find out that a design tool generates a, shall we say, enigmatic message. Bob Perlman Cambrian Design WorksArticle: 53990
Simple question, for those who've done it before: How many I/O's are required to implement an interface to PLX9054? I'm running pretty tight on I/O right now, and this may not be a high-volume project, so the customer may prefer $18 extra per board as opposed to $2000 for a Xilinx core (still fuzzy on that, you can use and sell the $2000 IP on one project, right?). I can get by with the ~50 pins needed for in-FPGA PCI; do I need much more than that to use a PLX chip? If I tried to use an open core, do I run up against GNU if I sell the board, or does simply attributing the core source satisfy licensing? Ok, that was more than one question.Article: 53991
"Alex Rast" wrote > (Arie de Muynck) wrote : > >Left-click fails. > >Right-click and "save as..." works. > Did you check the actual file that was downloaded when you tried this > technique? You might be in for a surprise. I already tested that > possibility before posting and discovered that it seems to work, but in > fact all it did is download the HTML page with the "Forbidden" message. Yes. A ZIP file with a PIC core and it seems to compile fine at a friend of mine. Only the readme.txt is in Japanese ;-( > FWIW, my environment is as follows: > > I'm using a PC-platform (AMD Athlon) computer running Windows 2000. I have > the NetWare client loaded. Communication to NetWare servers is via IPX > only, so I use TCP/IP exclusively for the Internet connection. This is > through a DSL modem, NAT enabled so that the only visible external IP > address is that of the modem. Also behind a ADLS+NAT modem on a PII-233 + WIN2K. No IPX in sight here. > Meanwhile, browser-wise I've tried using both Opera 7.02 and Netscape 4.08. > I've tried both enabling and disabling cookies, security blocking, etc. Internet Exploder, latest version, latest patches. Regards, Arie de MuynckArticle: 53992
I put a mirror file at: www.ademu.com/download/cqpic100c.zip Regards, Arie de MuynckArticle: 53993
Sorry for that. My ignorance made it seem like an easy task that I needn't post extra info. I'm using XESS XSA-50 board containing Xilinx spartan II. I'm using Webpack 4.2 for development, the Verilog flow. spam_hater_7@email.com (Spam Hater 7) wrote in message news:<e9486eb9.0303280839.436e89b@posting.google.com>... > Hi, > > It changes from language to language, and from tool to tool. > > Yes, there is a way to fix the pins in the HDL. There is also a way > to fix the pins in the FPGA tool. > > You need to tell us which tools you are using! > > SH > > > mhelshou@yahoo.com (Mohammed Hamed) wrote in message news:<e0d0cbd0.0303271013.46580125@posting.google.com>... > > Hi All, > > > > Sorry I'm new to this. Can I fix a certain input to a module or a > > certain FPGA pin using constraints file or in HDL code? I want to do > > this for testing, so that for example when implementing DES encryption > > I don't have to connect real FPGA pins to logic 1 or 0. Instead I want > > to fix those pins from the Verilog/VHDL code and reprogram it. > > > > I hope this is not a homework thing, if so just point me to where to > > look. > > > > Thank you,Article: 53994
Mohammed Hamed <mhelshou@yahoo.com> wrote: : Sorry for that. My ignorance made it seem like an easy task that I : needn't post extra info. : I'm using XESS XSA-50 board containing Xilinx spartan II. I'm using : Webpack 4.2 for development, the Verilog flow. Look at the constraint guide for the "LOC" constraint. For the XST flow, place those constraints in a .ucf file and connect to your project. : spam_hater_7@email.com (Spam Hater 7) wrote in message news:<e9486eb9.0303280839.436e89b@posting.google.com>... :> Hi, And please, no botoom full quote. Bye -- Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------Article: 53995
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 23:23:04 -0800, Garrett Mace wrote: > Simple question, for those who've done it before: > > How many I/O's are required to implement an interface to PLX9054? > > I'm running pretty tight on I/O right now, and this may not be a > high-volume project, so the customer may prefer $18 extra per board as > opposed to $2000 for a Xilinx core (still fuzzy on that, you can use and > sell the $2000 IP on one project, right?). > > I can get by with the ~50 pins needed for in-FPGA PCI; do I need much > more than that to use a PLX chip? > 50 is more than enough..... > If I tried to use an open core, do I run up against GNU if I sell the > board, or does simply attributing the core source satisfy licensing? > > Ok, that was more than one question. PCWArticle: 53996
Hai I have a problem regarding the synthesis part.I'm using Xilinx Foundation series 3.1i & I 've set the Taget device family as XC3000.Device:3020APC68...Speed -6.But the synthesis takes more than an hour to complete.Is that there is a problem with my code or the taget device specification ? Bye PrasanthArticle: 53997
> > I can get by with the ~50 pins needed for in-FPGA PCI; do I need much > > more than that to use a PLX chip? > > > > 50 is more than enough..... > Thanks... Just in the quote stage at this point, and need to know what rabbit holes not to chase down.Article: 53998
johnjakson@yahoo.com (john jakson) wrote in message news:<adb3971c.0303261957.4fc7f2df@posting.google.com>... > > > > You'd break too many in the process, which nullifies the advantage. > > Besides, you can't just nilly willy offset the rows against each other > >... > > > > Achim. > Apparently I was absolutely correct, just didn't know someone else already doing it. http://www.waferyield.com/products.html see WAMA Dies Next big thing is sharing critical masks onto a fewer, WAMA Mask That would be somewhere between full wafer & shuttle for the mask cost, but slightly more expensive stepping. So someone else got crazy idea before me, I should get more crazy.Article: 53999
Muzaffer Kal wrote: > Hi, > I guess some people here must be working with Microblaze processors. I > understand that Microblaze EDK ships with a port of GNU tools. Are the > sources for these tools available (from the GPL I understand that they > must be). When one gets the EDK, do you get the sources on the CD ? > Hi Muzaffer, The EDK runs on top of a modified version of Cygwin, called Xygwin[1]. The gnu tools (mb-gcc, mb-ld, etc etc) run within Xygwin. The source for these tools is publicly available for download from Xilinx. You don't need to be an EDK customer to obtain it. I have a copy here, it's several hundred megabytes. I looked but can't find the place on xilinx's website where I downloaded it. John [1] The chances from Cygwin->Xygwin are very small - it's possible to make the microblaze tools run under normal cygwin, which is what I'm doing here.
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