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Article: 54550
Subject: Re: Hardware acceleration for raytracing purposes
From: Mark Williams <mdjw@art-render.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:19:07 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Svjatoslav Lisin wrote:

> Does somebody know any ready hardware systems for raytracing acceleration ?
> How much can it cost?

Hi, take a look at RenderDrive & PURE on www.artvps.com

Best regards,

Mark


Article: 54551
Subject: Re: Hardware acceleration for raytracing purposes
From: "stefkeB" <stefkeB@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:19:15 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
ART/PURE Render hardware?


"Svjatoslav Lisin" <netbreaker666@mail.ru> wrote in message
news:b7bh5l$b1t$1@news.wplus.spb.ru...
> Does somebody know any ready hardware systems for raytracing acceleration
?
> How much can it cost?
>
>



Article: 54552
Subject: Re: Hardware acceleration for raytracing purposes
From: Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:50:59 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Svjatoslav Lisin wrote:
> Does somebody know any ready hardware systems for raytracing acceleration ?
> How much can it cost?

	Zip. Nothing. No graphics card can speed up raytracing, period.

	A graphics card speeds up the display if the program calls its built in 
primitives. Rendering programs do not call those primitives but rather 
are CPU intensive calculations of each pixel.

-- 
2003 March 14: Israel murders eleven Palestinians.
	-- The Iron Webmaster, 2576


Article: 54553
Subject: request for simple UART
From: "valentin tihomirov" <valentin@abelectron.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:58:47 +0300
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I have an idea to implement all digital logic of my circuit into a CPLD. The
only doubt is external UART. I know, additional UART is a big pain,
currently I use tl16c750. I think that a price of external uart is the same
or greater than an average CPLD chip. All IP cores suggested by google are
complex, ie with FIFOs and flow control. I would be satisfied with the
8051-compatible UART. That means an interrupt, 8bit SIN, SOUT registers, TI,
RI flags and a hardwired frecuency. Any suggestions.




Article: 54554
Subject: Re: Hardware acceleration for raytracing purposes
From: Lord Crc <lordcrc@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:08:29 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:39:50 GMT, Ken <tylereng@pacbell.net> wrote:

>Video cards don't support hardware acceleration for raytracing. OpenGL,
>movies and simple shading of polygons, yes, raytracing no.

But they do support vertex and pixel shaders, which can be used for a
lot of funky things, for instance: "Ray Tracing on Programmable
Graphics Hardware" http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/rtongfx/

(if it's down, try http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/purcell02ray.html)

- Asbjørn

Article: 54555
Subject: Tristate-Bus-Termination; fast pullup req'd
From: "Christian" <cw@nikocity.de>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:51:47 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi There,
I am looking for a solution forcing a tristated bus-line to 1 (VCCIO) when
it is in highZ state.
I made a simple approach using a 330 Ohms pullup resistor to pull the line
up to 3,3V when not driven.
When the IO cell of my APEX FPGA drives the bus low, it can consume
about -10 mA of IOL current. (flowing through my pullup into the FPGA,
therefore 330Ohms is maximum pullup value)
But in highZ state, it takes much to long until ti reaches VCCIO.
Now my question: Is it possible to use an active termination to reach faster
pullup functionality? Or would a pullup/pulldown combination be sufficient
for that?

thanks in advance
best regards
Chris.




Article: 54556
Subject: Re: Tristate-Bus-Termination; fast pullup req'd
From: Allan Herriman <allan_herriman.hates.spam@agilent.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:59:04 +1000
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:51:47 +0200, "Christian" <cw@nikocity.de>
wrote:

>Hi There,
>I am looking for a solution forcing a tristated bus-line to 1 (VCCIO) when
>it is in highZ state.
>I made a simple approach using a 330 Ohms pullup resistor to pull the line
>up to 3,3V when not driven.
>When the IO cell of my APEX FPGA drives the bus low, it can consume
>about -10 mA of IOL current. (flowing through my pullup into the FPGA,
>therefore 330Ohms is maximum pullup value)
>But in highZ state, it takes much to long until ti reaches VCCIO.
>Now my question: Is it possible to use an active termination to reach faster
>pullup functionality? Or would a pullup/pulldown combination be sufficient
>for that?

Does the bus have to be parked in high state?  You might find that a
week keeper (that retains the last state) is more effective than a
pullup.

Another option is to have the driving device drive the bus high for a
brief period (perhaps 1/2 or 1 clock cycle) before going to Z.  This
is an old trick sometimes used on "ready" or "wait" or "dtack" signals
on microprocessor peripherals.  The pullup resistor is still needed,
but it doesn't contribute to the rise time so its value doesn't
matter.

Allan.

Article: 54557
Subject: Re: Tristate-Bus-Termination; fast pullup req'd
From: "Christian" <cw@nikocity.de>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:06:53 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
> Does the bus have to be parked in high state?  You might find that a
> week keeper (that retains the last state) is more effective than a
> pullup.
>
> Another option is to have the driving device drive the bus high for a
> brief period (perhaps 1/2 or 1 clock cycle) before going to Z.  This
> is an old trick sometimes used on "ready" or "wait" or "dtack" signals
> on microprocessor peripherals.  The pullup resistor is still needed,
> but it doesn't contribute to the rise time so its value doesn't
> matter.
>
> Allan.

Thank you for your quick and proper assistance, Allan!!!
The bus currently is terminated by two clamping diodes and keeping value is
not the problem.
With my additional 330Ohms pullup, I wanted to create a recessive "1"-State,
it is needed for a serial arbitration.
Because of that, I don't know whether the trick with driving the bus hi for
1x TCLK
will cause my arbitration to fail!?
It seems I have to investigate on that.







Article: 54558
Subject: Re: SOPC Builder under Linux?
From: Petter Gustad <newsmailcomp4@gustad.com>
Date: 14 Apr 2003 14:13:34 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
"Ben Twijnstra" <bentw@SPAM.ME.NOT.chello.nl> writes:

> Hi Petter,
> 
> > The SOPC Builder is not officially supported under Linux yet. However,
> > I can run the Java files distributed with the Solaris release under
> > Linux (IBM jre 2.13). But I get a message saying that SOPC Builder
> > requires an open Quartus II project.
> >
> > Is there a way to launch the SOPC Builder from within Quartus II or
> > trick it to communicate with the Quartus II process?
> 
> Not at this point. Even though it _should_ work (after all, it's Java), SOPC
> Builder needs to connect to a Quartus server socket to query the current
> project. As Quartus under Linux has no such socket open, at the moment I
> can't think of a way to do this.

It appears that this is possible using the  -projectname and
-projectpath options. However, the next problems it to specify at path
to the local perl interpreter since the default is to use the SPARC
version included with SOPC.

Maybe it's better to wait for full Linux support.

Petter
-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Petter Gustad         8'h2B | ~8'h2B        http://www.gustad.com/petter

Article: 54559
Subject: Re: Hardware acceleration for raytracing purposes
From: "Svjatoslav Lisin" <netbreaker666@mail.ru>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:18:22 +0400
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

> A graphics card speeds up the display if the program calls its built in
> primitives. Rendering programs do not call those primitives but rather
> are CPU intensive calculations of each pixel.

I didn't mean video card with 3D-Studio like program as a ready solution.
I'm interested in ready system-on-chip which can accelerate the raytracing
process. Software part (drivers, program like 3DS and so on) I can write by
oneself.



Article: 54560
Subject: doubts in PCI
From: praveenkumar1979@rediffmail.com (praveen)
Date: 14 Apr 2003 05:21:56 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello sir,
Some doubts in PCI
I will be greatful if you can clear it

12.why bus parking done only for AD,C/BE and PAR?why other signal
donot need parking




13.Any idea about Prefetching????
for example Master initiate a  read (burst read ,prefetech buffer 4
double word)  at location 30000000 ,so data from 30000000 to 30000010
is fetched ? IS this true ? next address is whether 30000004 or
30000014? If it is 30000004 then data from 3000004 to 30000014 is
fetched?Is this true?
IF target side prefetch is disabled?what will happen? only one data is
passed to the initiator side?Is this true?



14.what is the role of MAX_LAT in the configuration register? it is
said that it specifies how often the device needs to gain access to
the PCI Bus ?i didnot understand how often means what? can please give
me example?


15.what is use of signal being of sustained tristate type? 



16. How is cardbus specification related to PCI specification?


17. What do mean by "PCI device is embedded on the PCI bus "?


18. Why are 4 interrupt lines are provided one is enough whether it is
because priority based i mean INTA has highest priority followed by
INTB then INTC and INTD?


19. RST is a input in master who win reset the master? 



20.what is this specific register-level programming interface in class
code part of the configuration register?


waiting for ur reply
praveen

Article: 54561
Subject: Re: Hardware acceleration for raytracing purposes
From: "Svjatoslav Lisin" <netbreaker666@mail.ru>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:27:00 +0400
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

> Hi, take a look at RenderDrive & PURE on www.artvps.com
Wow, that's really cool and powerful system, but... This is not one chip,
this is very huge box with  lot of electronics :(



Article: 54562
Subject: Re: ISE WebPack under Linux (use of command line tools)
From: Uwe Bonnes <bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:27:55 +0000 (UTC)
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Christopher Fairbairn <ckf13@student.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
: Hi,

: I'm wondering if someone has managed to get the esential parts of Xilinx's 
: ISE WebPack 5.2i to run under WINE (or some other form of Win32 emulation) 
: under a Linux host and would be willing to provide advice/tips on doing it.

A recent well configured wine with the prerequisited for Installshield 6
installers ( native stdole*.tbl)  in the <wine>/windows directory should do
the job. Installation will take some time ( wine directory handling in 
help/usenglish/newroot with it's 5499 files is not optimal) , show some
errors and message box stacking may be wrong so that na "OK" buttom is
hidden, but the installation should be useable.
 
: A web search seems to suggest people have had success (there is even some 
: documentation on Xilinx's own website) and my initial attempts looks 
: promising... I think i've almost achieved my goal, however I'm increasingly 
: getting stuck.

: I'm not particulary interested in the GUI related components (although 
: having as much of them as possible would be a benifit I suppose).

: I'd be happly content with utilsing the command line applications directly, 
: and that's one of my problems... I don't even know where to start using 
: them. I've just recently started (i.e. a few months ago) using FPGAs and 
: have mainly used the GUI tools up until now, and relied upon them calling 
: the command line orientated ones.

: For example using the tools in ISE WebPack, how would I go about getting a 
: VHDL file (say "XYZ.vhdl") synthesied and end up with an image ready for 
: use on say an Xilinx Spartan-II XC2S50.

First run the GUI, set up a project and run the toolchain. After that, ISE
has produced command files you may use in a script like this one for
Verilog:
export XILINX=l:\\webpack-5.2
/spare/bon/wine/wine -- /spare/bon/webpack-5.2/bin/nt/xst -quiet -ifn __projnav/pasamain.xst -ofn pasamain.syr 
/spare/bon/wine/wine -- /spare/bon/webpack-5.2/bin/nt/ngdbuild -quiet -dd h:\\work\\projekte\\alice\\pasa-astf\\fpga\\pasamain
/_ngo -uc xilinx.ucf -aul -a -p xc2s200-pq208-5 pasamain.ngc pasamain.ngd /spare/bon/wine/wine -- /spare/bon/webpack-5.2/bin/nt/map -quiet -p xc2s200-pq208-5 -cm speed -detail -pr b -k 4 -c 100 -tx of
f -o pasamain_map.ncd pasamain.ngd pasamain.pcf
/spare/bon/wine/wine -- /spare/bon/webpack-5.2/bin/nt/par -w -ol 2 -t 1 -detail pasamain_map.ncd pasamain.ncd pasamain.pcf
/spare/bon/wine/wine -- /spare/bon/webpack-5.2/bin/nt/bitgen -f pasamain.ut pasamain.ncd
/spare/bon/wine/wine -- /spare/bon/webpack-5.2/bin/nt/impact -batch impact.cmd

This script will not stop on arrors. Connecting the commands with "&&"
should do that.

Bye

-- 
Uwe Bonnes                bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik  Schlossgartenstrasse 9  64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------

Article: 54563
Subject: Re: Buying FPGAs from parts brokers
From: rrr@ieee.org (Rajeev)
Date: 14 Apr 2003 05:28:14 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Jim, Emile, Leon,

Thanks all for your responses and good advice !

-rajeev-

Article: 54564
Subject: So... I have some ready solutions about raytracing processor.
From: "Svjatoslav Lisin" <netbreaker666@mail.ru>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:37:41 +0400
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I have some ready solutions for raytracing accelerator and now I'm looking
for a project sponsor for finishing and distributing future chip (or ready
IP). Future system will be faster and certainly chiper and smaller than the
system at www.artvps.com. And theoretically it will be an AGP video card.




Article: 54565
Subject: Re: Too early to throw away Parallel Cable III...
From: l.l.chisholm@paradise.net.nz (Len Chisholm)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:40:52 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:58:03 -0700, Peter Wallace <pcw@karpy.com>
wrote:
>
>	Actually I'm designing such a card now, no microcontroller just a 
>FTDI USB245B and a 9572XL. Card is USB powered, about 1x3" and should work 

I must say this thought has crossed my mind a few times as well. I was
thinking of using an 8-bit protocol where a state machine in the PLD
looks for 'flag' and 'escape' characters similar to PPP to extract
control words. It appears you can tap the USB245 oscillator for a 6MHz
clock to run the PLD.

>	The 9572 can be programmed through the USB interface using the 245B's 
>bit banging mode. I can make PCBs available for a nominal charge if there
>is any interest
>

If you use 3 bits of the USB port for the 9572, that only leaves 5 for
the FPGA connection, crimping your style a bit :-) Is it worth it ? I
guess so long as you leave the TMS high you can use 7 pins.

>Still messing with ideas so any suggestions are welcome...
>
>PCW
>

Len Chisholm

Article: 54566
Subject: Re: 2.5V switching regulator for Spartan 2
From: rrr@ieee.org (Rajeev)
Date: 14 Apr 2003 06:27:33 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I'm planning to use the MAX8869 1Amp LDO from 3.3V, which I like
because it uses ceramic caps and it has a power-good output.  It's
not available from D/K but I was able to obtain less than full reel
direct from Maxim about 18 months ago (for an earlier project that never
got built).

Can somebody shed light on why power-up waveforms matter ?  I mean, one
might (naively ?) imagine that things would be OK so long as all the
voltages settle down before configuration starts...

Regards,
-rajeev-
----------------
Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> wrote in message news:<qhel4kcosr.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>...
> I'm thinking about using a Linear Technology LTC3406B synchronous buck
> regulator for the 2.5V core Vdd for an XC2S150.  Has anyone else used
> this?  It's rated for 600 mA, so it should be able to handle the 500 mA

<...>

Article: 54567
Subject: Re: request for simple UART
From: "Valeria Dal Monte" <aaa@bbb.it>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:28:46 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

"valentin tihomirov" <valentin@abelectron.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:3e9a865c_2@news.estpak.ee...
> I have an idea to implement all digital logic of my circuit into a CPLD.
The
> only doubt is external UART. I know, additional UART is a big pain,
> currently I use tl16c750. I think that a price of external uart is the
same
> or greater than an average CPLD chip. All IP cores suggested by google are
> complex, ie with FIFOs and flow control. I would be satisfied with the
> 8051-compatible UART. That means an interrupt, 8bit SIN, SOUT registers,
TI,
> RI flags and a hardwired frecuency. Any suggestions.

I think a such non-programmable UART is very simple to implement
and very inexpensive in terms of macrocells, likely less than 32.



Article: 54568
Subject: Xilinx has released SpartanIII
From: "leon qin" <leon.qin@2911.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:35:05 +0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
the smallest device is XC3S50 without BlockRam.
the largest device is XC3S5000 with 1,872K bits BlockRam.

When will can get them?



Article: 54569
Subject: Re: Spartan-3 in docsan Webpack release notes... a joke???
From: Uwe Bonnes <bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:35:36 +0000 (UTC)
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Peter Alfke <peter@xilinx.com> wrote:

: Jim Granville wrote:

:> 
:> Then we know we have something in gestation.....
:> Could it be twins ?
:> Which trimester is the mother in ?

: Definitely third trimester, and the baby is kicking a lot. Seems to be
: really healthy...

Congratulation as the birth of the baby is announced! (www.xilinx.com)

When can we expect to see the baby in the kindergarten (that mean, when can
we buy it at the  distributors)?

Cheers
-- 
Uwe Bonnes                bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik  Schlossgartenstrasse 9  64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------

Article: 54570
Subject: Re: Too early to throw away Parallel Cable III...
From: Peter Wallace <pcw@karpy.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:23:45 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:40:52 -0700, Len Chisholm wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:58:03 -0700, Peter Wallace <pcw@karpy.com> wrote:
>>
>>	Actually I'm designing such a card now, no microcontroller just a
>>FTDI USB245B and a 9572XL. Card is USB powered, about 1x3" and should
>>work
> 
> I must say this thought has crossed my mind a few times as well. I was
> thinking of using an 8-bit protocol where a state machine in the PLD
> looks for 'flag' and 'escape' characters similar to PPP to extract
> control words. It appears you can tap the USB245 oscillator for a 6MHz
> clock to run the PLD.

I thought of the state machine approach but decided that a simple address
/data system would be fast enough and a lot simpler. This may change when
I actually start implementing it :-)

I didnt trust tapping the oscillator so I have a 24 MHZ oscillator for
the CPLD, divided by 4 for the USB245. This also gets me higher shift
rates or more finely controlled JTAG timing

> 
>>	The 9572 can be programmed through the USB interface using the 245B's
>>bit banging mode. I can make PCBs available for a nominal charge if
>>there is any interest
>>
>>
> If you use 3 bits of the USB port for the 9572, that only leaves 5 for
> the FPGA connection, crimping your style a bit :-) Is it worth it ? I
> guess so long as you leave the TMS high you can use 7 pins.

I was going to cheat and have a CPLD TMS jumper to allow programming, so that
in the normal case (CPLD TMS tied high), all 8 USB bits were available...

> 
>>Still messing with ideas so any suggestions are welcome...
>>
>>PCW
>>
>>
> Len Chisholm
 
PCW

Article: 54571
Subject: Re: request for simple UART
From: Rene Tschaggelar <tschaggelar@dplanet.ch>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:46:49 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Valeria Dal Monte wrote:
> "valentin tihomirov" <valentin@abelectron.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:3e9a865c_2@news.estpak.ee...
> 
>>I have an idea to implement all digital logic of my circuit into a CPLD.
> 
> The
>>only doubt is external UART. I know, additional UART is a big pain,
>>currently I use tl16c750. I think that a price of external uart is the
> same
>>or greater than an average CPLD chip. All IP cores suggested by google are
>>complex, ie with FIFOs and flow control. I would be satisfied with the
>>8051-compatible UART. That means an interrupt, 8bit SIN, SOUT registers,
> 
>>RI flags and a hardwired frecuency. Any suggestions.
> 
> I think a such non-programmable UART is very simple to implement
> and very inexpensive in terms of macrocells, likely less than 32.

This may be impossible. A UART uses oversampling and taking the
majority. For 8 databits plus 1 startbit and 1 stopbit at 4 times
oversampling the shiftregister is 40 bits long. Add 2 bytes for
transmission and 2 bytes for reception and you're at 64 bits.
Then add a few macrocells for the logic.

Rene
-- 
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net


Article: 54572
Subject: Re: Hardware acceleration for raytracing purposes
From: Rene Tschaggelar <tschaggelar@dplanet.ch>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:53:46 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Svjatoslav Lisin wrote:
> Does somebody know any ready hardware systems for raytracing acceleration ?
> How much can it cost?

You'd need a geometry unit that calculates the traces, with
refraction and reflection
Then you'd need a scene manager that can sort the objects and
find which are to be met by which ray.
It appears to be more of a cpu job to me, once the geometry
is done.

Rene
-- 
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net


Article: 54573
Subject: Re: So... I have some ready solutions about raytracing processor.
From: Rene Tschaggelar <tschaggelar@dplanet.ch>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:55:47 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Svjatoslav Lisin wrote:
> I have some ready solutions for raytracing accelerator and now I'm looking
> for a project sponsor for finishing and distributing future chip (or ready
> IP). Future system will be faster and certainly chiper and smaller than the
> system at www.artvps.com. And theoretically it will be an AGP video card.
> 

Multiposted to quite a number of groups ...
That was quick. Just one day spent.

Rene
-- 
Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
& commercial newsgroups - http://www.talkto.net


Article: 54574
Subject: Re: request for simple UART
From: Jennifer Jenkins <jennifer.jenkins@xilinx.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:31:56 -0600
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Check out these two reference designs from the Xilinx CPLD team:

XAPP341:  http://www.xilinx.com/xapp/xapp341.pdf
XAPP345:   http://www.xilinx.com/xapp/xapp345.pdf

valentin tihomirov wrote:

> I have an idea to implement all digital logic of my circuit into a CPLD. The
> only doubt is external UART. I know, additional UART is a big pain,
> currently I use tl16c750. I think that a price of external uart is the same
> or greater than an average CPLD chip. All IP cores suggested by google are
> complex, ie with FIFOs and flow control. I would be satisfied with the
> 8051-compatible UART. That means an interrupt, 8bit SIN, SOUT registers, TI,
> RI flags and a hardwired frecuency. Any suggestions.




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