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It is possible to make a VCO, as Peter suggests, out of a varactor diode with the amplification supplied by a Xilinx inverter. The Xilinx also can be used for the digital divider, and for the phase comparator. Only a few external passive parts to integrate the phase comparator's output and a varactor diode are needed to complete a PLL. No active external passive parts are needed. I have recently used a Xilinx Spartan chip in this manor to multiply a 32kHz watch Xtal by 64, but the internal divide ratio could well have been variable. The only problems encountered were: 1) The Spartan's 300mV input hysteresis prevented also making the 32kHz reference xtal oscillator out of only passive components. 2) About 500uA of ICC was wasted, presumably by the input amps attached to the outputs from the phase comparator, driving the external integrating PLL filter. Explanation: To save power, I used the type of phase comparator that emits positive and negative glitches. These glitches must be integrated before application to the veractor. Most of the time these two outputs are in a TriState condition. When in TriState, these outputs see the DC voltage controlling the VCO. Unavoidably, within the Xilinx, there are CMOS inputs attached to these output pins, and I believe it was these unused CMOS inputs that were wasting the extra ICC. To fix the problem I changed the phase comparator outputs to be Low Z full height digital signals then isolated them from the 'middle' voltage of the integrator with Schottky diodes. If you are not worried about saving every last uA, you could just drive the integrator directly with one combined up/down/tristate pin, Peter Alfke <peter@xilinx.com> wrote: >It depends on the quality of the frequency you want to generate. >If you need to generate a continuous stable frequency, your only choice is an >external voltage-controlled oscillator, an internal phase comparator, and a >counter. Dave Decker Please use only one 'h' in mush. I'm trying to reduce the spam. "Animals . . . are not brethren they are not underlings; they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendor and travail of the earth." Henry Beston - The Outermost HouseArticle: 17326
Hi, Has any one seen the following; I have an 8 bit data bus which has two explicitly tied bits (one high and one low). As these are assigned in a registered process, and set to zero under reset conditions, one is optimized out which is reasonable. However, this in turn seems to be removing the entire data bus - which is not reasonable! Has anyone experienced Synplify behaving in this way before? David Hinds. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.Article: 17327
Mark Kinsley wrote: > I would hate to overlook any important issues which should be > considdered in making this decision, so if you have any input please > mail it to me / post it to the group. I'm using or more exact I've to use NT :-( on a PII (333MHz 128 MB RAM) and I suffer from it. If I simulate bigger things the system seems to be stoned, after the end of simulation time HD activity will go on some minutes. Not mentioned simulator crashs, but this could depend on Aldec's Active VHDL simulator. You will get big problems, if one program needs Service Pack x and another needs SPy. If you want to administrate a computer, you must go to it, close all application and then you can do your work, carefully. How about eMail or Web, then you will need an NT-Server. There is no useful clustering available, only 2 or 4 computers can work together. You should know, some only NT-companies (e.g. VeriBest) will port their applications to Unix. They will be their reasons. Here are some links to Unix vs. NT http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/ http://www.ugraf.com/unix-nt/ and to NT security or its lack http://www.ntshop.net/ http://www.technotronic.com/microsoft.html Bye Tom!Article: 17328
Hi, Has any one seen the following; I have an 8 bit data bus which has two explicitly tied bits (one high and one low). As these are assigned in a registered process, and set to zero under reset conditions, one is optimized out which is reasonable. However, this in turn seems to be removing the entire data bus - which is not reasonable! Has anyone experienced Synplify behaving in this way before? David Hinds. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.Article: 17329
Mark Condit wrote: > > I think I may know what your problem is. The Foundation series software > wants to be node locked, using either your hard disk serial number or your > ethernet address. The problem is that the software doesn't recognize hard > disk serial numbers that start with a zero "0". I have 1.5i and have been > on temp licenses for the last 8 months. I'm told Xilinx is working the > problem, but no date for a fix yet. Good luck. This is easy enough to work around. Just change your serial number so that it does not begin with a '0' and ask for a new license file. I have set my SN to a known value in every machine I have used. This lets me not have to deal with new license files every time I need to jack up my software and put a new machine under it. I have done this about three times before and I am looking at getting a laptop now. So this will be machine number four to have been run on the same license file. Most vendors won't use this license method because they know that you can also use this method to run multiple machines on the same license concurrently. But it is sure a lot easier for me to maintain. The NIC license is a problem for laptops I have been told, because they power down the hardware when it has not been used in a while. So when the NIC number is checked they get a time out and never go back to check it again when the hardware is back up. So the only portable solution left (as far as I know) is a dongle, and I dislike putting thousands of dollars (more than the cost of the laptop) into an object smaller than a deck of cards. It is just too easy to lose or have ripped off. With the Pentium III incorporating an internal SN, look for PIII processors being required for licensing soon! -- Rick Collins rick.collins@XYarius.com remove the XY to email me. Arius - A Signal Processing Solutions Company Specializing in DSP and FPGA design Arius 4 King Ave Frederick, MD 21701-3110 301-682-7772 Voice 301-682-7666 FAX Internet URL http://www.arius.comArticle: 17330
Systolix have just released a free version of their windows based filter sysnthesis tool FilterExpress. FilterExpress supports the design and analysis of IIR, FIR and multirate FIR filters. The free version of FilterExpress is fully functional and saves coefficient vaules to a simple text file suitable for export to other tools. It is now available for download from Systolix home site http://www.systolix.co.ukArticle: 17331
In a previous article Jerry Zdenek <zdenekjs@interaccess.com> writes: : :I really believe in automating as much of the process as possible; That ;way, some user (usually me) can't screw it up or forget a step. We do :post-layout simulation with an EDIF netlist, and to jump back and forth ;between the unix ws (for everything but the Maxplus2 fitter) and the PC :just to fit the FPGA is very annoying. ; :What I like to be able to do is make some change to the VHDL, and kick ;off the entire process again *without* having to be there. It's so much :more efficient, esp. if the design is large. What I define is the ;easiest is to make a change to the source and then walk away until I :have simulation results available. That is exactly the way I feel. I have an NT box on the side in my office just so I can, after doing everything on Unix, turn to the side to click buttons to run the FPGA fitter. And that NT box, is the only reason why I have to be physically in my office to get work done. I could have done everything else remotely from home or beach otherwise. That is very annoying, and I have given up using that particular FPGA for a while. Nowaday I keep that NT box turned on in my office just to keep my office warm and to generate some white noise to suppress my tinnitis. Windows turn people into part of the machine, it expects you to be there just as it expects the hard drive to be there all the time, and that is wrong.Article: 17332
Mark Kinsley <mkinsley@xs4all.nl> wrote: > 7. Anything else i should be looking at.. Availability of other NT-based tools like word processors, graphics packages, software development tools, and, especially for you, newsreaders with spell checkers. :) Yes, some of these tools are available for Unix, but generally they are better, cheaper, and sooner for Windows. -- Don Husby <husby@fnal.gov> Phone: 630-840-3668 Fermi National Accelerator Lab Fax: 630-840-5406 Batavia, IL 60510Article: 17333
IEE Proceedings - Computers and Digital Techniques Special Issue on Reconfigurable Systems Editors: Gordon Brebner (Edinburgh, U.K), Brad Hutchings (Brigham Young, U.S.A.) CALL FOR PAPERS Deadline: 31 August 1999 The special issue is scheduled for publication in May 2000. Papers must present original work, from either academic or industrial laboratories, and may focus on theory, design, simulation or modelling, including applications of existing techniques in new or novel situations. Particular topics of interest include: Computational models of reconfigurability Custom computing machines Evolvable and adaptable systems Incorporating reconfigurability in algorithms Novel design methodologies and tools Novel FPGA and system architectures Practical benefits of reconfigurability Run-time reconfigurable circuitry All papers will be rigorously refereed, with the expectation that reviewing will be completed by mid-December 1999, and with final versions of accepted papers due by 29 February 2000. The approximate length of papers should be 12-16 double-spaced pages (or 3000 words) plus 10-14 illustrations as appropriate. For further information about the special issue, or to express interest in submitting a paper for the special issue, please contact editor Gordon Brebner (e-mail gordon@dcs.ed.ac.uk). For information about the journal, see the Web page at http://www.iee.org.uk/publish/journals/profjrnl/ieeproc.html. This Web page also includes submission instructions for papers (click on "Authors" at the top of the page).Article: 17334
Hi all, I have a routine in C language that does masive amounts of data crunching. I am looking for a way to take that routine and implement it with programmable logic to speed things up. Anyone done this sort of thing before? Suggestions for tools or approach to take? Thanks David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't.Article: 17335
I've encountered several instances where synplify is very "aggresive" in optimizing stuff out .... resulting in functional errors. The one way to counter this is to add the syn_preserve (registers) or syn_keep (combinatorial) against the signals that are being optimized out. reg R_pulsea /* synthesis syn_preserve=1 */; Mike david_hinds@my-deja.com wrote: > Hi, > > Has any one seen the following; > > I have an 8 bit data bus which has two explicitly > tied bits (one high and one low). As these are > assigned in a registered process, and set to zero > under reset conditions, one is optimized out which > is reasonable. However, this in turn seems to be > removing the entire data bus - which is not > reasonable! > > Has anyone experienced Synplify behaving in this > way before? > > David Hinds. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't.Article: 17336
In article <7n4qmc$vu3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, David Norton <davidnorton@my-deja.com> wrote: > >I have a routine in C language that does masive amounts of data >crunching. I am looking for a way to take that routine and implement >it with programmable logic to speed things up. > >Anyone done this sort of thing before? Suggestions for tools or >approach to take? For the fun of it, I'd like to run it through my C - to - Garp (microprocessor + FPGA-based accelerator on a chip) compiler. If your code fragment is small enough you can even run it through yourself using the on-line demo at http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/projects/brass/garpcc_demo/ However, this won't actually help you get numbers quickly, since there's no actual silicon for Garp yet, and a simluated Garp is a lot slower than a real workstation! (note - the demo doesn't include simulation anyway, for security reasons). Also, the Garp array architecture is unique, so you won't be able to use the generated configuration files with any existing Xilinx-based platform. But, if it's possible for you to send me the source and a data set, I can tell you how much speedup you COULD get using Garp, IF it existed. Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim Callahan 415 Soda Hall, (510) 643-4203 timothyc@cs.Berkeley.EDU http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~timothyc/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim Callahan $B%F%#%`(B $B%+%i%O%s(B timothyc@cs.Berkeley.EDU 441 Soda Hall, (510) 643-8229 http://http.cs.berkeley.edu/~timothyc/Article: 17337
It depends on how your C code is written. There are people who have done a considerable amount of work looking at C to FPGA compilers, but AFAIK, these require a very specific syntax. Personally, I've had better results using the C code as an executable specification for a design, then creating hardware using either schematics or VHDL to match that design. David Norton wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a routine in C language that does masive amounts of data > crunching. I am looking for a way to take that routine and implement > it with programmable logic to speed things up. > > Anyone done this sort of thing before? Suggestions for tools or > approach to take? > > Thanks > > David > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- -Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email randraka@ids.net http://users.ids.net/~randrakaArticle: 17338
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3112CFD19539F98515F0C042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nicholas: Did you get your Foundation to work? I don't think you can key off of the D: drive. You must use the C: drive or your ethernet id #. You can't change your license file manually. You will have to go to the xilinx web site and generate a new license with the appropriate C: or ethernet id key. You can generate up to three licenses at the xilinx site before you get locked out. Let me know if you run into this problem and I will try to get you another xilinx serial number. Email us at xess.com or send questions to the xsboard-users mailing list if you have problems like this in the future. We don't have xilinx's godly power to generate license files but sometimes we can point you in the right direction. Nicholas Brown wrote: > Hello, > I have just purchased the Xilinx Foundation Series 1.5 Student > Edition, a XS40 and a XS95 board from Xess Corp. Unfortunately, the > license software dosn’t seem to work and Xilinx now claims that they > don’t support the student edition. I was hoping that someone here knows > a solution to the problem. > Everything seems to work except the VHDL synthesis. When attempting > to synthesize a VHDL entry I get: > > Pcm :Synopsys server initialization > Dpm :Invalid Host(-9,57) > Pcm :Cannot find a valid license for Synopsys synthesis > > I have spent several hours attempting to get this to work. Initially > I > used Drive number 0B87-7DBF with the Xilinx license generator which is > the id for the D drive where the Foundation Series software resides (as > reported by Vol C: in DOS.) > This did not work, so I manually changed the license.dat file so the id > was 1878-08CD which is the id the master drive, C:. This did not work. > Then I downloaded Hostid.exe from Synopsys which gave the host id as > f8d709c10000. This also did not work. The Autoexec.bat dose contain: > C:\flexlm\license.dat. Any insight to the problem would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance > -Nick --------------3112CFD19539F98515F0C042 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="devb.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Dave Vanden Bout Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="devb.vcf" begin:vcard n:Vanden Bout;David tel;fax:(919) 387-1302 tel;work:(919) 387-0076 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.xess.com/FPGA org:XESS Corp. adr:;;2608 Sweetgum Drive;Apex;NC;27502;USA version:2.1 email;internet:devb@xess.com title:FPGA Product Manager x-mozilla-cpt:;-1 fn:Dave Vanden Bout end:vcard --------------3112CFD19539F98515F0C042--Article: 17339
Hello, I’m just starting out with Xilinx Foundation 1.5 and having a problem with implementing schematic flow. When I "Create Netlist" from the schematic editor, I get the warning "Netlist creation warning: terminals for top level schematic", but the netlist dose get generated correctly. There are no warnings for the Integrity test or Export netlist. At the implementation window I get the message "Starting Constructive Placer. REAL time: 12 secs" (during the place and route portion) and nothing seems to happen after that. Everything was entered as the text book describes. Any suggestions as to what’s wrong ? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -NickArticle: 17340
husby@fnal.gov (Don Husby) writes: > Availability of other NT-based tools like word processors, > graphics packages, software development tools, and, especially > for you, newsreaders with spell checkers. :) > > Yes, some of these tools are available for Unix, but generally > they are better, cheaper, and sooner for Windows. While I would not dare to enter the "which wordprocessor is better" arena, (even though I used some on unix when NT wasn't even dreamt of) I'd be rather interested in the SW development tools which are better, cheaper and sooner on Windows than on unix. One would think that using GNU tools would make the 'cheaper' issue rather moot. In addition, a few thoughts might arise: Unix was designed by SW developers who wanted to make a very creative development environment - IMHO they achieved their goal. Much much before Bill Gates dropped out from school. Unix has been developing since and this process was mostly controlled by people who wanted to create an even more creative and productive development environment. Mind you, what I see on the net is that SW developers on Windows quite often use unix tools ported to Windows. Would that be an indication about that better/sooner/cheaper thingy ? By the way, what do you exactly do with graphics packages when you design FPGAs ? Regards, Zoltan -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ** To reach me write to zoltan in the domain of bendor com au ** | +--------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Zoltan Kocsi | I don't believe in miracles | | Bendor Research Pty. Ltd. | but I rely on them. | +--------------------------------+---------------------------------+Article: 17341
Wholesale copying is easy to do, and with an SRAM device, there just isn't much you can do to prevent it short of loading the configuration during production and keeping it powered from then on (I've done that for a high security military system). As far as reverse engineering the bitstream goes, the person has to be very motivated, but it can be done. It is probably a little harder from a multi-device design in that respect. However, a multi-device design provides more nodes that can be observed to help in determining the circuit function. Mark Grindell wrote: > Incidently, what is your feeling about Altera design security - given a > particular design, is it more dificult to reverse engineer a three device > chip set, or one huge single chip design - or is reverse engineering in any > case mostly impractical, and a somewhat mute point? > > -- -Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email randraka@ids.net http://users.ids.net/~randrakaArticle: 17342
What exactly is a dongle?Article: 17343
DONGLE: n. The "polite" term for those pesky hardware blocks that hang off a parallel or serial port and allow you to run a vendor's protected software package. Many are rumored to contain advanced technology that can detect an approaching project deadline and cause the dongle to stop working at a critical juncture. ----------------------------------------------------------- Steven K. Knapp OptiMagic, Inc. -- "Great Designs Happen 'OptiMagic'-ally" E-mail: sknapp@optimagic.com Web: http://www.optimagic.com ----------------------------------------------------------- EKC wrote in message <7n5p0t$c18$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>... >What exactly is a dongle? > >Article: 17344
I assume that you are trying the first example in the book. There is a problem with the sw when faced with a design that fits in 1 CLB. This is fixed with some updates you can get from the web. Assuming that what you have is F1.5 (not F1.5i) I believe you need the following two updates: ftp://ftp.xilinx.com/pub/swhelp/M1.5_updates/15_service_pack1_nt.zip and ftp://ftp.xilinx.com/pub/swhelp/M1.5_updates/15_sp1_ftp2_nt.zip You can read about these at ftp://ftp.xilinx.com/pub/ftpfiles.htm at also look up the solution records. Philip Freidin In article <37966588.6F2A05F5@gulfaccess.com>, Nicholas Brown <nbrownNOT@gulfaccess.com> wrote: >Hello, >I’m just starting out with Xilinx Foundation 1.5 and having a problem >with implementing schematic flow. >When I "Create Netlist" from the schematic editor, I get the warning >"Netlist creation warning: terminals for top level schematic", but the >netlist dose get generated correctly. There are no warnings for the >Integrity test or Export netlist. At the implementation window I get the > >message "Starting Constructive Placer. REAL time: 12 secs" (during the >place and route portion) and nothing seems to happen after that. >Everything was entered as the text book describes. Any suggestions as to > >what’s wrong ? >Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. >-Nick >Article: 17345
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------696A4370735B9623A39044BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nick: The place&route stalls for simple 1-CLB designs unless you install a software patch. Here is the relevant entry from the FAQ at www.xess.com/FPGA: Q: When I run the flow engine at PLACE & ROUTE state computer stalls. The last 7 lines of the status display is as shown below. Overall effort level (-ol): 2 (set by user) Placer effort level (-pl): 2 (default) Placer cost table entry (-t): 1 Router effort level (-rl): 2 (default) Starting initial Placement phase. REAL time: 10 secs Finished initial Placement phase. REAL time: 10 secs Starting Constructive Placer. REAL time: 10 secs I am running a very simple design from the book "the practical designer lab book "TRIPGEN1.SCH". This happens when I assigned the output node to a pin( using constrain file LOC=p25). The inputs can be assigned to pins without any problem. When I remove the LOC=p25 from the OBUF runs without any problems. Any help would be appreciated. A: I saw this problem on early versions of Foundation 1.5, but I thought they fixed it before they mastered the CDROM for the XSE. I did recreate your problem by reinstalling from the XSE CDROM. You need to install a patch from the Xilinx web site to fix the problem. The patch is found at http://www.xilinx.com/support/techsup/sw_updates/sw_f15_pc.htm and is called 15_service_pack1_nt.zip. The file is said to be for windows NT, but it also works for Win95. The file is 11.4 MBytes. Nicholas Brown wrote: > Hello, > I’m just starting out with Xilinx Foundation 1.5 and having a problem > with implementing schematic flow. > When I "Create Netlist" from the schematic editor, I get the warning > "Netlist creation warning: terminals for top level schematic", but the > netlist dose get generated correctly. There are no warnings for the > Integrity test or Export netlist. At the implementation window I get the > > message "Starting Constructive Placer. REAL time: 12 secs" (during the > place and route portion) and nothing seems to happen after that. > Everything was entered as the text book describes. Any suggestions as to > > what’s wrong ? > Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > -Nick --------------696A4370735B9623A39044BB Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="devb.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Dave Vanden Bout Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="devb.vcf" begin:vcard n:Vanden Bout;David tel;fax:(919) 387-1302 tel;work:(919) 387-0076 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.xess.com/FPGA org:XESS Corp. adr:;;2608 Sweetgum Drive;Apex;NC;27502;USA version:2.1 email;internet:devb@xess.com title:FPGA Product Manager x-mozilla-cpt:;-1 fn:Dave Vanden Bout end:vcard --------------696A4370735B9623A39044BB--Article: 17346
hi wen-king, i don't know your fpga tools, but can't they be run from a simple batch file and a command language? the tools that i run all have a command line interface and can be run either from a batch file or under the control of another program. one of my goals is to automate as much as possible and part of that is to not have to be there to press a button every few minutes in a long string of buttons to be pushed. it was a bit disappointing that one vendor charges double for the priveledge of running from the command line, with a floating license required for that feature; it will not work on node-locked licenses. have a nice evening, rk _______________________________________________________ Wen-King Su wrote: > In a previous article Jerry Zdenek <zdenekjs@interaccess.com> writes: > : > :I really believe in automating as much of the process as possible; That > ;way, some user (usually me) can't screw it up or forget a step. We do > :post-layout simulation with an EDIF netlist, and to jump back and forth > ;between the unix ws (for everything but the Maxplus2 fitter) and the PC > :just to fit the FPGA is very annoying. > ; > :What I like to be able to do is make some change to the VHDL, and kick > ;off the entire process again *without* having to be there. It's so much > :more efficient, esp. if the design is large. What I define is the > ;easiest is to make a change to the source and then walk away until I > :have simulation results available. > > That is exactly the way I feel. I have an NT box on the side in my office > just so I can, after doing everything on Unix, turn to the side to click > buttons to run the FPGA fitter. And that NT box, is the only reason why > I have to be physically in my office to get work done. I could have done > everything else remotely from home or beach otherwise. That is very > annoying, and I have given up using that particular FPGA for a while. > Nowaday I keep that NT box turned on in my office just to keep my office > warm and to generate some white noise to suppress my tinnitis. > > Windows turn people into part of the machine, it expects you to be there > just as it expects the hard drive to be there all the time, and that is > wrong.Article: 17347
Dear Ray and Abraham, To Ray, certainly, well said, sir. I have noticed this phenomenon with pin locking to be sure... and I have a design which, rather than placing in a single 10K100 or a 10K130, I have decided to parition (loosely) in three 10K50's. For a start the ratio of memory blocks to logic cells is rather more advantageous, and secondly, as you say, its easier to have a design which works faster. Incidently, what is your feeling about Altera design security - given a particular design, is it more dificult to reverse engineer a three device chip set, or one huge single chip design - or is reverse engineering in any case mostly impractical, and a somewhat mute point? Mark Grindell Ray Andraka wrote in message <37909BC9.A65FB02D@ids.net>... >You gotta be careful going with the bigger device in Altera. They get slower as >they get bigger. Altera is pretty sensitive to pin locking if you fill the >device past around 50%, so you do have to be careful. > >Mark Grindell wrote: > >> You might be best advised to make one up youself. You might select some >> chips which you know a fair bit about, choose a configuration using general >> I/O pins and then send a coupld of hours or so with Protel, and hey-presto - >> you've done it yourself! >> >> There is a catch. Depending on your application complexity, commiting your >> pinouts like this can make the project a bit more difficult to fit - >> commiting the pins often does this. Given this, and guessing that your >> eventual target is a 10K50, I would (in your situation) go for a much bigger >> device, which would give me loads of room, and make routing a bit easier and >> swifter. I would try a 10K100 myself - and then you *know* you won't run out >> of room. >> >> Goodness me, for a protype they're cheap enough. I might even jump to a >> 10K130 if I was feeling really reckless... >> >> Abraham Roth <s3279466@techst02.technion.ac.il> wrote in message >> > > > >-- >-Ray Andraka, P.E. >President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. >401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 >email randraka@ids.net >http://users.ids.net/~randraka > >Article: 17348
All this is OK, but I would simply hate to have to wait for my VHDL compiler, running on a Pentium II at 350 Mhz to get through a design for a billion logic gates.... Interesting, though... Mark Brad Taylor wrote in message <3790D9DE.328F3FB9@cmln.com>... >Hi - > >The article below was the front page headline of the San Francisco Chronicle on >Thursday. I thought it might also be of interest to the readers of this group. >It describes work by Philip Kuekes, a computer architect at >Hewlett-Packard, and others who have constructed a configurable switch based on >carbon nanotubes coated with rotaxane molecules. In effect, the rotaxane >molecules act as "anti-fuse" links between the bucky tubes. It's still a way off >from being a real device however. Philip Kuekes is a long time FPGA researcher >and developer of the reconfigurable Teramac system at HP. > >"Tiny Switch Could Shrink Computers Microscopic machines with the power of a >billion PCs" > >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/07/1 6/MN36688.DTL > >- >Brad > >I also have a small web page which has some random links in this area at: >http://members.tripod.com/~blt_/nano_electronics.htmlArticle: 17349
Zoltan Kocsi writes: > By the way, what do you exactly do with graphics packages when you > design FPGAs ? Click on "compile". Wait 10 minutes. Click on "timing analyser". Click on "registered performance". Or maybe click on "simulate". Go back to Linux, edit files, and repeat. To be fair I've been doing some schematic entry lately using the graphical tools. I have to use three computers in the toolchain for a simple build. Never mind. -- Jamie
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