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Article: 118900
Subject: Re: Disable Readback (XILINX)?
From: Antti <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 02:26:40 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On 7 Mai, 11:22, "Sven" <s...@is.com> wrote:
> If i have an external SPI FLASH connected to the FPGA and uses 'Disable
> Readback' in the configuration. What does it do exactly?
>
> It is still possible to read the SPI FLASH externall?

the main feature of any ROM (including SPI Flash) is to be readable

so if you have some SPI flash then it is always possible to read back
if the flash pins can be accessed by any means under software control.

Antti


Article: 118901
Subject: Re: My Dear Spartan-3A, Please Please WAKE UP!
From: Zara <me_zara@dea.spamcon.org>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:35:43 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On 7 May 2007 01:10:36 -0700, Antti <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com> wrote:

<..>

>
>nono - there was NO PROBLEM..:)
>I was just confused that with default setting the INIT LED is 50% on
>state..
>this is however NORMAL behaviour, I did not recognize that, and
>assumed something was wrong.
>
>all things work ok on s3astarter, including MicroBlaze - well without
>DDR2 support :(
>

I have not tried yet the DDR2. What is the problem with mch_opb_ddr2
controller? It is a PREFERRED IP type, I thought it should work.

I will try to take a look at it, anyway..

Best regards,

Zara

Article: 118902
Subject: Re: My Dear Spartan-3A, Please Please WAKE UP!
From: Antti <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 02:41:20 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On 7 Mai, 11:35, Zara <me_z...@dea.spamcon.org> wrote:
> On 7 May 2007 01:10:36 -0700, Antti <Antti.Luk...@xilant.com> wrote:
>
> <..>
>
>
>
> >nono - there was NO PROBLEM..:)
> >I was just confused that with default setting the INIT LED is 50% on
> >state..
> >this is however NORMAL behaviour, I did not recognize that, and
> >assumed something was wrong.
>
> >all things work ok on s3astarter, including MicroBlaze - well without
> >DDR2 support :(
>
> I have not tried yet the DDR2. What is the problem with mch_opb_ddr2
> controller? It is a PREFERRED IP type, I thought it should work.
>
> I will try to take a look at it, anyway..
>
> Best regards,
>
> Zara

Hi Zara,

I hope mch_opb_ddr2 will work, but I have been wondering
why such demo design is not available - this could be an
indication that the "out of the box" DDR2 IP core will not
work on Spartan-3A, so I am in a waiting mode, hoping
for someone to confirm the useability of EDK DDR2
ipcore on Xilinx Spartan-3A starterkit board.

Antti


Article: 118903
Subject: About DDR SDRAM
From: Gordon Freeman <gordonfreeman1983@gmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 02:44:44 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi everyone!
I'm working with DDR SDRAM but I don't know how to choose row address
and column address.
Can you help me, please?


Article: 118904
Subject: Re: ISE Simulator :Does nothing when double click
From: mh <moazzamhussain@gmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 03:15:38 -0700
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Hi

I was confronted with such a problem when I opened an old project
(which was made in ISE-7.1) in ISE-8.2i.  I regenerated all the cores
for ISE-8.2i and the problem was solved. Try regenerating the netlists
for black boxes.

hope it works


Article: 118905
Subject: Re: About DDR SDRAM
From: "Icky Thwacket" <it@it.it>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:27:11 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

"Gordon Freeman" <gordonfreeman1983@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1178531084.255221.183550@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi everyone!
> I'm working with DDR SDRAM but I don't know how to choose row address
> and column address.
> Can you help me, please?
>

Google 'datasheet' 



Article: 118906
Subject: VHDL core for Hitachi H8S or H8/300H CPU?
From: Michael Wilspang <michael@wilspang.dk>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:34:09 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi
are there anybody who have knowledge about
some free VHDL core for Hitachi H8S or H8/300H CPU?

Regards
/Michael Wilspang

Article: 118907
Subject: Re: About DDR SDRAM
From: Joseph Samson <jsamson@the-company-name.com>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:43:29 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Gordon Freeman wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> I'm working with DDR SDRAM but I don't know how to choose row address
> and column address.
> Can you help me, please?
> 
The Micron website has good datasheets and some application notes for 
all the SDRAMS. Here's a place to start:

http://www.micron.com/products/dram/ddr/partlist.aspx?Select=Select

This newsgroup has had many discussions about SDRAMs, both single and 
double data rate. The basic operation of SDRAMs are the same (active, 
precharge, read, write, refresh) whether they are single or double data 
rate, DDR or DDR2. A good tutorial on any of the families would probably 
answer many of your questions.

---
Joe Samson
Pixel Velocity

Article: 118908
Subject: UCF file for LT FastDAACS board?
From: Thomas Heller <theller@python.net>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:07:43 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Does oneone have a Xilinx UCF file for the Spartan Device on the linear technology
FastDAACS board, and is willing to share it?

Thanks,
Thomas

Article: 118909
Subject: FF setup and hold time.
From: himassk <himassk@gmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 04:25:49 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>


  Hi,
  can any one please clarify me that all the FF in the FPGA has same
setup time and hold time values?
  If not why and where these different FF can be used?

 Thanks in advance.

 regards,
 Himassk.


Article: 118910
Subject: Re: lwIP RAW mode support for V4 temac
From: Patrick Dubois <prdubois@gmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 05:13:46 -0700
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On May 5, 6:36 am, Sean Durkin <news_ma...@durkin.de> wrote:

> At X-Fest they said that raw mode will be available with EDK9.2, which
> is supposed to be available sometime after ISE9.2, which is scheduled
> for September, IIRC.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately September is a little too late in
my case...

Patrick



Article: 118911
Subject: Re: Disable Readback (XILINX)?
From: Gabor <gabor@alacron.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 05:22:02 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On May 7, 5:26 am, Antti <Antti.Luk...@xilant.com> wrote:
> On 7 Mai, 11:22, "Sven" <s...@is.com> wrote:
>
> > If i have an external SPI FLASH connected to the FPGA and uses 'Disable
> > Readback' in the configuration. What does it do exactly?
>
> > It is still possible to read the SPI FLASH externall?
>
> the main feature of any ROM (including SPI Flash) is to be readable
>
> so if you have some SPI flash then it is always possible to read back
> if the flash pins can be accessed by any means under software control.
>
> Antti


To clarify further, "Disable Readback" means to disable reading the
state of the FPGA from its internal SRAM.  It has no effect on the
configuration storage device.
HTH
Gabor


Article: 118912
Subject: Help with ATF750CL and WinCUPL
From: interrogativo <vento_74@hotmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 05:37:25 -0700
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I'm trying to code an 'enhanced' binary-to-7segments display decoder
with ATF750CL and WinCUPL.

I'm experiencing problems using the truth table CUPL construct , so I
wrote these test code lines:

Name      ATF750CL;
Partno    XXXX;
Date      Apr 2007;
Revision  0.0 GEAT Floor Display Decoder;
Designer  mf;
Company   c companyname snc, 2007;
Assembly  Custom;
Location  Naples;
Device    v750c;


/* Input pins */
PIN [1..11] = [in1, in2, in3, in4, in5, in6, in7, in8, in9, in10,
in11];
PIN 13 = in12;

/* Output pins */
PIN [14..23] = [o1, o2, o3, o4, o5, o6, o7, o8, o9, o10];

FIELD  input = [in4, in3, in2, in1] ;

FIELD  output = [o7, o8, o9, o10] ;
FIELD  output2 = [o3, o4, o5, o6] ;

/* Basically the output is a copy of the input */
TABLE input => output {
    'b'0000 => 'b'0000;
    'b'0001 => 'b'0001;
    'b'0010 => 'b'0010;
    'b'0011 => 'b'0011;
    'b'0100 => 'b'0100;
    'b'0101 => 'b'0101;
    'b'0110 => 'b'0110;
    'b'0111 => 'b'0111;
    'b'1000 => 'b'1000;
    'b'1001 => 'b'1001;
    'b'1010 => 'b'1010;
    'b'1011 => 'b'1011;
    'b'1100 => 'b'1100;
    'b'1101 => 'b'1101;
    'b'1110 => 'b'1110;
    'b'1111 => 'b'1111;
}

/* And this also, but on different output pins */
output2 = input;

Well, 'output2' behaves correctly, while 'output' pins are always at 0
level.

Do you know why?!?!?!?!?!

PLS HELP!!!!


Article: 118913
Subject: Re: V5 LVPECL Inputs
From: Test01 <cpandya@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:44:52 -0700
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The output voltage at its most positve will be Vcc, the Vcm will be Vcc - 0.275 and the low voltage will be Vcc - 0.55 This gives 550 mv swing on each arm and 1100mv differential swing.

This is an Inphi driver which supports PCML standard.

Here is a text directly from Inphi application note:

"The HSL outputs are VCC referenced. This means that if an output has a typical 1100 mVp-p differential swing (i.e. 550 mVp-p on each arm), then each output (primary and complementary) varies between approximately Vcc and Vcc - 0.55V, which suggests a common mode voltage, Vcm, that is the average of that range (i.e. Vcc - 0.275V)."

Article: 118914
Subject: Re: V5 LVPECL Inputs
From: Test01 <cpandya@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:47:32 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
The non-Xilinx driver is not LVPECL. It is CML driver from Inphi.

Article: 118915
Subject: Re: V5 LVPECL Inputs
From: Andy <jonesandy@comcast.net>
Date: 7 May 2007 06:14:33 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On May 7, 7:47 am, Test01 <cpan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The non-Xilinx driver is not LVPECL. It is CML driver from Inphi.

A "differential voltage" of 1100 mv implies that each leg is Vcm +/-
550 mv. If Vcm = Vcc - 0.275, then the high leg is in fact above Vcc
for the driver.

One or more parts of your original specification are likely not
correct.

Andy



Article: 118916
Subject: V5 GTP Transceivers supporting LVPECL
From: Test01 <cpandya@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 06:14:52 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I have the V5 GTP transceiver differential output going to a non-xilinx receiver.

The non-Xilinx receiver has following specifciation for its LVPECL input.

Input High Common Mode range is 1.2V to 3.3V

The differntial input swing range is 300mv to 2400mv.

I would like to know what V5 GTP IO standarad I should use so it meets the receiver requirements.

Thanks.

Test01.

Article: 118917
Subject: Ubuntu and Webpack?
From: "cpope" <cepope@nc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:20:12 -0400
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Has anyone tried to install xilinx webpack on ubuntu 6.06LTS? If I run the
web download tool (sudo ./setup) I get through the questions but it dies
shortly after I click install. If I use the single file download it asks for
a registration ID which as far as I can tell doesn't exist for webpack? Any
help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Clark



Article: 118918
Subject: Re: V5 LVPECL Inputs
From: Test01 <cpandya@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 06:35:05 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Andy,

It will be great if you can elaborate.

Article: 118919
Subject: Re: V5 LVPECL Inputs
From: Test01 <cpandya@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 06:38:37 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Andy,

Here is what I have from the datsheet.

The HSL outputs are VCC referenced. This means that if an output has a typical 1100 mVp-p differential swing (i.e. 550 mVp-p on each arm), then each output (primary and complementary) varies between approximately Vcc and Vcc - 0.55V, which suggests a common mode voltage, Vcm, that is the average of that range (i.e. Vcc - 0.275V)."

Article: 118920
Subject: Re: About DDR SDRAM
From: Chris <c@c>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 15:45:54 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Gordon Freeman wrote:

> I'm working with DDR SDRAM but I don't know how to choose row address
> and column address.
> Can you help me, please?

I'm only familiar with SDRAM, DDR should be somewhat similar wrt/
the commands you must issue (PRECHARGE, ACTIVATE, etc.)

To get started on the basics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDRAM
http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/sdram/512MbSDRAM.pdf
http://www.maxwell.com/pdf/me/app_notes/Intro_to_SDRAM.pdf

Some technical notes worth reading:

http://download.micron.com/pdf/technotes/ZT05.pdf
http://download.micron.com/pdf/technotes/ZT01.pdf
http://download.micron.com/pdf/technotes/TN4801.pdf

An interesting article from Ars Technica:

http://arstechnica.com/paedia/r/ram_guide/ram_guide.part2-4.html


Hope that helps

Article: 118921
Subject: computing branch metric for viterbi decoder
From: Saqib <engr.saqib.riaz@gmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 08:14:19 -0700
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Hi,
 Hi,
  i saw the circuit for computation of branch metric in the following
paper ( figure 3 a ), but i cant understand how it functions, can any
body plz explain it.

http://www.tmssales.com/Application_Notes/Digital_Test/viterbi.pdf

thanks.

sawaak


Article: 118922
Subject: Re: FF setup and hold time.
From: cms <Michael.Tsvetkov@gmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 08:33:53 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On May 7, 3:25 pm, himassk <hima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>   Hi,
>   can any one please clarify me that all the FF in the FPGA has same
> setup time and hold time values?
>   If not why and where these different FF can be used?
>
>  Thanks in advance.
>
>  regards,
>  Himassk.

There are two different FF as a minimum - IO registers and internal
logic FF. More specially look into the datasheet for your FPGA.
As a rule all datasheets have separate sections for I/O timing
parametres and Internal timing ones.


Article: 118923
Subject: Re: About DDR SDRAM
From: Paul <pauljbennett@gmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 08:47:21 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Be aware... DDR SDRAMs have many many other nuances beyond just
selecting addresses properly... tons of startup constraints, all sorts
of timing requirements between operations, etc...   you NEED to read
the datasheet cover to cover about a half a dozen times or you will
absolutely miss something.

On May 7, 5:44 am, Gordon Freeman <gordonfreeman1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> I'm working with DDR SDRAM but I don't know how to choose row address
> and column address.
> Can you help me, please?



Article: 118924
Subject: Re: Xilinx software quality - how low can it go ?!
From: Mike Lundy <novas0x2a@gmail.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 09:02:19 -0700
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On May 5, 2:04 pm, fpga_t...@yahoo.com wrote:
> When their management learn the products can be supported better with
> the same number of people leading the project, and the developers
> learn they are not likely to lose their jobs, it should be an easier
> decision. It's hard sometimes to understand why they think remaining in the
> stone age is better.

I've been poking Xilinx through various techniques about this. I
talked to three or four people Xilinx about it at the recent Embedded
Systems Conference in San Jose; I also tried to talk to Steve Long(?
might be misremembering his name) who apparently is a software
manager, but I kept missing him. I also asked the support guy who has
been handling the bugs I file to pass an email up the chain, and he
said he did. Perhaps it'll land with someone who is willing to take me
up on an offer to talk about it more.

If everyone with a complaint about the quality of the software does
this, perhaps Xilinx would realize that there are people out there
(such as myself) who think FPGAs are incredibly cool and are willing
to work on the software without expectation of payment as long as
certain open-source rules are observed. The single best example of
this is Michael Gernoth in the thread entitled "Xilinx Platform cable
USB and impact on linux without windrvr"[1]. He was willing to work on
it despite the lack of source, and his result is /quite/ impressive.

I think the main problem is some level of confusion. Open-sourcing XST
and the various GUI apps does not mean that map/par need to be fully
open-source. Providing map and par as libraries that user-written apps
could call would be perfectly acceptable, given the level of trade-
secrecy involved. Xilinx is not a software company, and it shows. They
should be leveraging the software to increase adoption of the
hardware, not limiting industry growth with low software quality. Once
the realization of this percolates up, perhaps we'll see some changes.

So, once again. If you have a complaint about the quality, make a
reasoned argument to whoever at Xilinx will listen. Remember that
zealotry and insults won't work here; there is a strong business case
for this to happen, but it requires such a shift from traditional
thinking that every overzealous attempt will cancel out quite a few
reasonable ones. Perhaps one who is a better wordsmith and evangelist
than I can come up with a template that others can use.

1) http://groups.google.com/group/comp.arch.fpga/browse_thread/thread/f149e5b6028e2c70




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