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Thanks to all who replied ,esp Ilpo , I now have the information needed. Regards Richard.Article: 4651
In article <329433E2.2A3D@radar-sci.jpl.nasa.gov> jorge@radar-sci.jpl.nasa.gov "jorge" writes: > Will MG continue to support autologic II? Or, will they(MG) drop it all > together since I here MG is now going to use EXEMPLAR's synthesis tools? My understanding is that for FPGA use (you asked this in the FPGA newsgroup!) Mentor will be pushing you in the direction of a new product specifically for FPGAs (ALII was never too not on FPGA stuff anyway). I dare way it will have some imaginative name like 'Autologic FPGA'. That's unless they buy yet another company and change their mind! Andrew -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew Morley, Design & Development, Trend Communications Ltd, High Wycombe.| | email: andrew.morley@trendcomms.com Phone +44 1628-524977 Bucks, UK.| -----------------------------------------------------------------------------Article: 4652
Mark.Sandstrom@martis.fi (Mark Sandstrom) writes: : Has anyone managed to utilize Xilinx 4000e IOB FFs through Synopsys? : I'm using FPGA Compiler v.3.4b and Xact 5.2.1. It seems like no matter : what I try, all my I/O registers are mapped into the CLBs. I'm I believe all that is required is not putting a reset on the flop. A coworker of mine uses this technique and says it works. -- ...__.....__........................................................... ..| |...| |... Ted L. Boydston IV . __| |___| |... . _ /\ /\ _|__ Harris Corporation, GASD email: tboydsto@harris.com . _\/ \/__\/ |... PO BOX 94000, MS 102-4823 voice: (407) 729-7999 . ..| |...| |... Melbourne, FL 32902 fax : (407) 729-2782 . ..|__|...|__|..........................................................Article: 4653
Steve Wiseman <steve@sj.co.uk> wrote: >> I'm using Xilinx's XACT to design FPGA . I haven't any experience with Xilinx's >> FPGA and have some problems . Hope you help me . >> >> 1. When use VHDL >> When use VHDL to design a FPGA , how to assign the pin number ? I heard of >> it is disable to assign the pin nubmer without using schematic .Is it right ? I don't use VHDL with Xilinx, but can't you write a constraints file for the design? You can specify pin numbers there, and lock them. RTB.Article: 4654
>Mark.Sandstrom@martis.fi (Mark Sandstrom) writes: >: Has anyone managed to utilize Xilinx 4000e IOB FFs through Synopsys? >: I'm using FPGA Compiler v.3.4b and Xact 5.2.1. It seems like no matter >: what I try, all my I/O registers are mapped into the CLBs. I'm >I believe all that is required is not putting a reset on the flop. A >coworker of mine uses this technique and says it works. There are a few more criteria. I found that when I upgraded to a new version, XBLOX wasn't moving as many flipflops into IOBs as the old version. I E-mailed to the hotline and got this reply: I believe I have found the cause of the non-IOB-optimization with XBLOX 5.2. The criteria has slightly changed from 5.0 ->5.2 for FF IOB optimization. It turns out that it was discovered that when X-BLOX pushed output FFs into IOBs that were sourced by combinatorial logic, an additional level of logic and/or an added net delay was causing extra setup delay thus degrading performance. It was decided that any FF sourced either directly or indirectly (one or more buffers and/or inverters between non-cominatorial source and D-pin) by combinatorial logic would defaultly not be pushed into IOBs unless otherwise specified. It was decided that the STYLE=IOB attribute on an X-BLOX component would forcebly specify to optimize the FF into an IOB. Unfortunatly there is no attribute to force non-XBLOX created FFs. This may only be done by expicitly expressing to use an OFD instead od FD. -- +===============================================================+ + Joe Samson (313) 994-1200 x2878 + + Research Engineer, ERIM + + P.O. Box 134001 email samson@erim.org + + Ann Arbor, MI 48113-4001 + +===============================================================+Article: 4655
jjfakas@erols.com wrote: > = > I am looking for a low cost FPGA test board which will run on an IBM PC= > and will take a X4010 or X5010 FPGA. I am on a low budget and can't > afford thousands of dollars. Does anyone know of such a beast? I alread= y > have the XILINX routing software and synthesis tools. > = > Thanks in advance, > = > Jim -- = Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI) Andr=E9 Hergenhan Haid-und-Neu-Str. 10-14 D-76131 Karlsruhe Phone: ++49/721/9654-470 Fax: ++49/721/9654-409 EMail: hergenhan@fzi.deArticle: 4656
I use the .cst file to assign pin numbers to signals. The .cst file is used in ppr. The format is PLACE INSTANCE signal_name_pad: P desire pin number; example PLACE INSTANCE RESET_pad: P23; I don't assign pin numbers in the VHDL enviroment. cann't help with simulating, we use synopsys simulator. regards jerry englishArticle: 4657
As far as I remember there are some equations that correlate the threshold to the aspect ratios some how. If these are known parameters you may be able to correlate the aspect ratios to the threshold voltages and then to each other. Unfortunately I haven't got my books to hand (I'm based in the UK but am currently working in Sweden). -- Gareth Baron. Email: gareth@trsys.demon.co.ukArticle: 4658
Jerry English wrote: > > I use the .cst file to assign pin numbers to signals. > The .cst file is used in ppr. Yes, this is fine for schematics. The only problem is that VHDL source won't give you the reference you need. For the brave, VHDLDES also has a -iopad option, which claims to bind iopads to the top level signals. I never got this to work, so stopped trying. Has anyone had success? SteveArticle: 4659
I've been maintaining a comprehensive listing of semiconductor manufacturer websites for more than a year. This is the same list that I used to post to USENET for everyone to use, but now it's too big for that. Many engineers find it useful (or at least all of the e-mail says that it is)... but many other engineers don't know about it. I update it several times a week and actively search for new URLs frequently. You can view just the company URLs or the URLs with a brief company product description. I think you'll find it helpful when searching for a particular data sheet, etc... Anyway, check it out... http://www.scruznet.com/~gcreager/hello5.htm -- Gray Creager (gcreager@smtpgate.xicor.com) Applications Engineer Xicor, Inc. http://www.xicor.comArticle: 4660
After 13 weeks, WinEDA '96, the pioneering event into online conferencing and exhibiting, will come to a close on November 29. We thank our participants (1000 plus) from around the world for joining in the Conference! There is now an Evaluation Form available at www.wedasite.com. If you looked in on WinEDA we need your critique. Please take a minute to rate WinEDA so that we can improve on the overall concept, method and information resources for future events. Your input can help shape Web conferencing and help us bring it to you the way that you want it. Thanks, Stan Baker Program Chairman WinEDA '96Article: 4661
In article <32998FFF.1466@martis.fi>, Mark Sandstrom <Mark.Sandstrom@martis.fi> writes: |> Has anyone managed to utilize Xilinx 4000e IOB FFs through Synopsys? |> I'm using FPGA Compiler v.3.4b and Xact 5.2.1. It seems like no |> matter |> what I try, all my I/O registers are mapped into the CLBs. I'm |> describing the I/O registers in the VHDL description in a normal |> D-flip-flop style. The flip-flops are controlled by the global reset |> for |> which I use the GSR net. |> |> I tell Synopsys: |> |> set_register_type -exact -flip_flop OFD_F find (design, |> stm4_out_reg) |> Performing set_register_type on design 'stm4_out_reg'. |> 1 |> |> but the flip_flops synthesize into 'FDC's. |> |> Thanks for any information that could help! |> |> Mark Please avoid global reset on the I/O flip-flops you want to infer HariArticle: 4662
============================================================================= Call for Papers 1997 International Symposium on Physical Design April 14-16, 1997 Napa Valley, California Sponsored by the ACM SIGDA in cooperation with IEEE Circuits and Systems Society The International Symposium on Physical Design provides a forum to exchange ideas and promote research on critical areas related to the physical design of VLSI systems. All aspects of physical design, from interactions with behavior- and logic-level synthesis, to back-end performance analysis and verification, are within the scope of the Symposium. Target domains include semi-custom and full-custom IC, MCM and FPGA based systems. The Symposium is an outgrowth of the ACM/SIGDA Physical Design Workshop. Following its five predecessors, the symposium will highlight key new directions and leading-edge theoretical and experimental contributions to the field. Accepted papers will be published by ACM Press in the Symposium proceedings. Topics of interest include but are not limited to: 1. Management of design data and constraints 2. Interactions with behavior-level synthesis flows 3. Interactions with logic-level (re-)synthesis flows 4. Analysis and management of power dissipation 5. Techniques for high-performance design 6. Floorplanning and building-block assembly 7. Estimation and point-tool modeling 8. Partitioning, placement and routing 9. Special structures for clock, power, or test 10. Compaction and layout verification 11. Performance analysis and physical verification 12. Physical design for manufacturability and yield 13. Mixed-signal and system-level issues. IMPORTANT DATES: Submission deadline: December 20, 1996 Acceptance notification: February 1, 1997 Camera-ready (6 page limit) due: March 1, 1997 SUBMISSION OF PAPERS: Authors should submit full-length, original, unpublished papers (maximum 20 pages double spaced) along with an abstract of at most 200 words and contact author information (name, street/mailing address, telephone/fax, e-mail). Electronic submission via uuencoded e-mail is encouraged (single postscript file, formatted for 8 1/2" x 11" paper, compressed with Unix "compress" or "gzip''). Email to: ispd97@ece.nwu.edu Alternatively, send ten (10) copies of the paper to: Prof. Majid Sarrafzadeh Technical Program Chair, ISPD-97 Dept. of ECE, Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road, Evanston, IL 60208 USA Tel 847-491-7378 / Fax 847-467-4144 SYMPOSIUM INFORMATION: To obtain information regarding the Symposium or to be added to the Symposium mailing list, please send e-mail to ispd97@cs.virginia.edu. Information can also be found on the ISPD-97 web page: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~ispd97/ SYMPOSIUM ORGANIZATION: General Chair: A. B. Kahng (UCLA and Cadence) Past Chair: G. Robins (Virginia) Steering Committee: J. Cohoon (Virginia), S. Dasgupta (Sematech), S. M. Kang (Illinois), B. Preas (Xerox PARC) Program Chair: M. Sarrafzadeh (Northwestern) Keynote Address: T. C. Hu (UC San Diego) & E. S. Kuh (UC Berkeley) Special Address: R. Camposano (Synopsys) Publicity Chair: M. J. Alexander (Washington State) Local Arrangements Chair: J. Lillis (UC Berkeley) Technical Program Committee: C. K. Cheng (UC San Diego) W. W.-M. Dai (UC Santa Cruz) J. Frankle (Xilinx) D. D. Hill (Synopsys) M. A. B. Jackson (Motorola) J. A. G. Jess (Eindhoven) Y.-L. Lin (Tsing Hua) C. L. Liu (Illinois) M. Marek-Sadowska (UC Santa Barbara) M. Sarrafzadeh (Northwestern) C. Sechen (Washington) K. Takamizawa (NEC) M. Wiesel (Intel) D. F. Wong (Texas-Austin) E. Yoffa (IBM) =============================================================================Article: 4663
Our DATA/IO 2900 can program the AT17C65 and the AT17C128, but not the AT17C256. How are you programming the AT17C256? Best regards Erwin OertliArticle: 4664
My understanding is that MEntor have rationlised their synthesis groups and Exemplar will become the driving force behind MGCs three synthesis tools, Galileo, Leonardo and Autologic2. Galileo is primarily aimed at low to med complexity FPGAs, Leonardo at med/high FPGAs and Low/med ASICs and AL2 at ASICs. If you are an existing AL2 for FPGA customer you should be entitled to Galileo due to the loss of FPGA support in AL2 at release B2 assuming you have a maintenance contract. I would suggest you contact your local MEntor support office for clarification of your position. As for libraries at B2 I don't believe there will be any FPGA support for AL2.Article: 4665
Could anyone point me to the specification of the JEDEC file structure for programming GAL. TIA DominicArticle: 4666
On 26 Nov 1996 23:49:57 GMT, Hari Vattikota <hari@syzygy.xilinx.com> wrote: > >In article <32998FFF.1466@martis.fi>, Mark Sandstrom ><Mark.Sandstrom@martis.fi> writes: >|> Has anyone managed to utilize Xilinx 4000e IOB FFs through Synopsys? > >Please avoid global reset on the I/O flip-flops you want to infer Why should global set/reset be avoided? The 4000e supports GSR in IOB flip-flops. I've used GSR in my designs and the flip-flops get merged into IOBs. It's true that the IOB flip-flops don't have another reset besides GSR.Article: 4667
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------61A753756124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have WVoffice 7.1 and ACTEL Design Series 3.1. The development system run on a PC-WIN95. The Actel Designer accepts as input edif file from the CAE software. If I try to use an EDIF netlist write from Workviewoffice EDIF interfaces, the following errors occur when ACTEL Designer compile the .edn file. *Error: c:\progetti\gest_rom\TESTACTEL.edn, line 27: cell DELAY has no *contents and is not * defined in library C:\ACTEL/data/a1000/adl07.lib *Error: c:\progetti\gest_rom\TESTACTEL.edn, line 43: cell NOT has no *contents and is not defined * in library C:\ACTEL/data/a1000/adl07.lib *Error: c:\progetti\gest_rom\TESTACTEL.edn, line 61: cell TRIBUF has no *contents and is not * defined in library C:\ACTEL/data/a1000/adl07.lib *Error: c:\progetti\gest_rom\TESTACTEL.edn, line 81: cell SIMBUF has no *contents and is not * defined in library C:\ACTEL/data/a1000/adl07.lib *Error: c:\progetti\gest_rom\TESTACTEL.edn, line 283: cell MUX41 has no *contents and is not * defined in library C:\ACTEL/data/a1000/adl07.lib * *The import_netlist command failed ( 00:00:07 ) I'm sure that the problem is design-independently. Can someone help me? tank you in advance, --------------61A753756124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="attach.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="attach.txt" ********************************************************* *Pasquale Corsonello Microelectronic Design Laboratory * *Department of Electronic Computer Science and System * *University of Calabria * *Loc. Arcavacata di Rende - RENDE (CS) - 87036-ITALY * *Tel:+39 984 494708 Fax:+39 984 494713 * *email:pascor@ccusc1.unical.it-corsone@nwdeis1.unical.it* ********************************************************* --------------61A753756124--Article: 4668
Xilinx have one of these boards available. I don't think it is that expensive. I remember getting it with the PRO stuff a while ago (2 years) so I'm not sure what they are offering now. Give them a ring and see what they can conjur up for you. You might even be able to get it free. -- Gareth Baron. Email: gareth@trsys.demon.co.ukArticle: 4669
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2B024D894686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, have anyone used XILINX chip to realize reconfigurable system? Please contact me. --------------2B024D894686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="attach.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="attach.txt" ********************************************************* *Pasquale Corsonello Microelectronic Design Laboratory * *Department of Electronic Computer Science and System * *University of Calabria * *Loc. Arcavacata di Rende - RENDE (CS) - 87036-ITALY * *Tel:+39 984 494708 Fax:+39 984 494713 * *email:pascor@ccusc1.unical.it-corsone@nwdeis1.unical.it* ********************************************************* --------------2B024D894686--Article: 4670
Jim, There is a XILINX FPGA test board available from APS which does exactly what you want. It is very inexpensive and works with any 4000/5000 84 pin plcc family chip. Its called the APS-X84 and sells for around 250.00. It comes with a 5202 FPGA in it and has an 8255 chip on board, oscillators and timers, and tons of IO connections.' Check it out at http://www.erols.com/aaps, email to aaps@erols.com Richard jjfakas@erols.com wrote in article <3293E3AE.624E@erols.com>... > I am looking for a low cost FPGA test board which will run on an IBM PC > and will take a X4010 or X5010 FPGA. I am on a low budget and can't > afford thousands of dollars. Does anyone know of such a beast? I already > have the XILINX routing software and synthesis tools. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim >Article: 4671
Steve Wiseman wrote: > > Jerry English wrote: > > > > I use the .cst file to assign pin numbers to signals. > > The .cst file is used in ppr. > > Yes, this is fine for schematics. The only problem is that VHDL source > won't give you the reference you need. With Synplify synthesizer, just add to your VHDL the attributes: attribute xc_loc : string; attribute xc_loc of SignalName : signal is "P56"; And SignalName is attached to pin 56. Also also use the pins.cst for other VHDL designs and works fine. Martin -- | Martin d'Anjou | tel: (613) 765-3058 | | Nortel | fax: (613) 763-9535 | | P.O. Box 3511, Station C | email: mdanjou@nortel.ca | | Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA K1Y 4H7| My opinions, not Nortel's | | http://www.nortel.com/ | Mes opinions, pas celles de Nortel |Article: 4672
"Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> I'm using Xilinx's Foundation for VHDL. >> I'm trying to figure out how to change a 4 bit add to have a carry in >> and carry out. (I can't find anything like this in my VHDL books). > >That would be real easy with a schematic! ;-) ha, ha, my sides are splitting ;-> >BTW...do the Foundation tools allow you to do simulation with full timing? >I heard that they don't... Sorry I haven't got that far yet. I had a small excursion into timing and it seemed to work ... Chris Hart - chris.hart@iee.orgArticle: 4673
I've been doing a little project on the Altera EPX780LC84-15. I have it working great (visit: http://www.iquest.net/~khorton/bankzill.htm for details) but I'm having problems finding the programming spec. for this part. The goal is to have a micro (80C85) program it on power-up so that changes and additions are simple to do without replacing the FPGA. I've done several 'net searches and have come up empty-handed. I visited the Altera web page, and it's like the part has never existed; there are only data sheets for their latest offerings. So, if anyone can tell me the basics on how to get the data into the part's SRAM cells, I'd be appriciative. BTW, I used the 'pengen' program to convert the JEDEC file into the bit-stream required by the part; I just need to know how to play with the TCK, TDI, TDO (output probably not required for programming), and TMS lines.Article: 4674
Mark Sandstrom <Mark.Sandstrom@martis.fi> wrote: >Has anyone managed to utilize Xilinx 4000e IOB FFs through Synopsys? >I'm using FPGA Compiler v.3.4b and Xact 5.2.1. It seems like no matter >what I try, all my I/O registers are mapped into the CLBs. I'm >describing the I/O registers in the VHDL description in a normal >D-flip-flop style. The flip-flops are controlled by the global reset for >which I use the GSR net. >I tell Synopsys: >set_register_type -exact -flip_flop OFD_F find (design, stm4_out_reg) >Performing set_register_type on design 'stm4_out_reg'. >1 >but the flip_flops synthesize into 'FDC's. >Thanks for any information that could help! >Mark Synopsys will not synthesize flip-flop into IOB, but only flip-flop in CLBs. It is XBLOX that will move flip-flop into IOB if all requirements of your device are met. For XC4000E devices, flip-flops have now clock enable pins, and allows (i think) the use of GSR. Hope it help. =========================================== Jean Lachance Tel : 514-956-1010 ext 4072 IC Design Engineer Fax : 514-956-3384 Nortel Email : jean.lachance@nortel.ca ===========================================
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